[rollei_list] Re: 100 year anniversary of 120 film (Care & feeding of '29 Original)
- From: CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 19:13:45 -0300
I want to clarify this was a thread in other forum about the original
Rolleiflex and I sent a new message there to explain I talked about
120 film availability from 1912 in Germany. 120 film was a Kodak
original and dedicated format initially for the Kodak Brownie 2 and it
was _manufactured_ from 1901 and then 2011 is the 120 film 110th
anniversary, also a nice number to do a project to celebrate this
significant film format for the Rollei users and MF in general.
Carlos
2011/5/4 Slobodan Dimitrov <s.dimitrov@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> I just found out that next year, 2012, 120 film will be 100 years old. Anyone
> willing to do a celebratory project to commemorate the milestone?
> S.d.
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: May 4, 2011 1:53:25 AM PDT
> To: rolleiusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [rolleiusers] Re: Care & feeding of '29 Original
> Reply-To: rolleiusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> Kirk:
> 120 film was available from 1912 and the Rolleiflex was designed in 1928, it
> could be made to use 120 film but Heidecke wanted to keep the camera as
> compact and small as posssible and then he chose the 117 film (B1-6). The
> Rolleiflex was a market successs and hardly the firsts users got it they
> asked the factory about to adapt it to use longer film; F&H found a way to
> retrofit the camera for 620 film spools use with 12 frames.
>
> According the explanation in Claus Prochnow's Report 1, the 620 spools larger
> flanges made contact with the upper spool chamber and then it had to be
> enlarged accordingly, the lower spool was housed in a cage and projected
> slightly and then the camera back received two spherical cuts. The camera
> exterior was kept original without changes.
>
> The camera could also be adapted for 120 film at factory, but it required
> major changes with modifications even for the camera exterior (i.e. a
> additional spool knob and a new wider transport knob with a groove) and the
> changes for the camera inside were significant too.
> While the adaptation for 620 film looks pretty simple for a technician
> wanting to do the task, the adaptation for 120 film looks more complex
> requiring special parts, 120 spools had slight variants at the time and the
> adaptation needed to consider these variants.
>
> It was from January 1932 with the first Rolleiflex Standard model that the
> Rolleiflex cameras were made to use 120 film from factory. The 117 film was
> discontinued in 1949, F&H decision to adopt the 120 film size had nothing to
> do with the 117 film availability, the Rolleiflex users wanted a longer film.
>
> Carlos
>
> PS:If you have the 620 spools, it's pretty easy to respool 120 film, the only
> difference 120-620 is the spool, film size is the same.
>
> --- El mié 4-may-11, Kirk Thompson <thompsonkirk@xxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:
>
> > De: Kirk Thompson <thompsonkirk@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Asunto: [rolleiusers] Re: Care & feeding of '29 Original
> > Para: rolleiusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Fecha: miércoles, 4 de mayo de 2011, 1:03
> > Thanks, Richard, for having a go at
> > it, but unfortunately those aren't solutions (if there are
> > any).
> >
> > 1. No way 120, it's too fat. The early Rolleis used 117
> > film. Phillips explains that in 1929 it was the only
> > size that had the frame numbers printed in the right place
> > on the backing paper. 117 was 6 cm wide but had a thin
> > spindle (making a thinner roll), small flanges, and
> > different holes in the ends of the spools.
> >
> > When 117 was discontinued, many of the original Rolleis
> > were converted to 620 film (which is still available from
> > B&H). 620 has a skinny spindle and small flanges like
> > 117, but it required a modification of the cameras: a
> > different-sized left bump and right key to engage the
> > take-up spool. These are the conversion parts I have some
> > small hope of finding, if anyone knows of an old Rollei
> > burial site where such things can be found.
> >
> > 2. Years of experience have proved that klutzes like me do
> > not work on their own cameras. So I still want to know if
> > there's a classic camera repairman who retains old parts and
> > skills. (Fleenor and Krikor don't work on these.)
> >
> > Kirk
>
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