[roc-chat] Re: [roc-chat] Re: Youth Groups at ROCstocks
- From: "bb.wolf2@xxxxxxxxxxx" <bb.wolf2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:25:30 -0800
We already have the ability to launch anywhere on the range while people are
loading rockets at any other pads. If we have separate RSOs and pad managers we
need more volunteers which we aren't getting enough of now. If Richard, Lee and
I hadn't stepped up Sunday morning there would have been no flying. There was
no one signed up and no interest.
Jim Wold
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From: "Tom Hanan" <tom.hanan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [roc-chat] Re: Youth Groups at ROCstocks
Date: Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:10 pm
A thought would be to always have
separate low power an high power tables and volunteers at Roctober
and RocStock. With the table manning priority going to low power
at Roctober and high power at RocStock. Shutdowns affecting only
the table that is short handed.
No one is excluding any one group but the priority for each launch
is well publicised and the need for volunteers to support each
groups priorities encourages each group to man their tables.
In my opinion we also need to look hard at what would be involved
to support simultaneous loading of low power while launching high
power. We already allow simultaneous loading of high power while
loading and launching low power. I feel very strongly that this
would go a long way to addressing the weather related launch
congestion that lead to the anxiety the members experienced at
RocStock this year.
Each power group can decide how to best motivate volunteers to man
their respective tables. The good news is that the lower volunteer
confidence threshold for low power volunteers should allow them to
recruit the larger numbers of volunteers needed to support the
much larger number of low power flyers.
I say that knowing that there are many members of ROC who have
high power experience that would continue to be Johny on the spot
to prevent a temporary shutdown of the kids table :)
Its just who we are!
ROC members are GREAT people!
"Straw Hat" Tom
P.S. my definition of Low Power is: Single stage, Single use
A,B,C,D engine, <2000' AGL to minimize / simplify flight card
complexity, checkout and safety / airspace concerns. Low Power
Rockets recovered on the public side of the safety flags must
demonstrate appropriate modifications to prevent future incursions
into uncontrolled public areas. Questionable airframes should be
launched on the small rod high power pads where more appropriate
rocket review and safety buffer zones are available. NO low power
hazmat rockets ;)
On 11/14/2012 9:52 AM, David Erbas-White wrote:
On 11/14/2012 9:32 AM, Richard
Dierking wrote:
Richard,
I don't believe it is necessary (or possible, frankly) to
discourage youth groups at ROCstocks.
I would refer you to my previous comment where there should be
'windows' where there is no low-power flying at ROCstocks. I
think the only additional work involved is a couple of big signs
at the range head that say something like "Mid-to-high power
only from 10AM to 11AM and 2PM to 3PM", or whatever works for
that day.
We need as many groups/people to join as possible in order to
keep the hobby going.
Perhaps a graduated payment scale for youth groups? One fee it
they're going to fly and not help out, and a lower fee if they
provide an adult and/or responsible kid over a certain age, for
a specific timeframe, to assist with the launch?
David Erbas-White
I believe that youth groups should be discouraged from
going to ROCstocks. Youth groups now have their own launch
(ROCtober) in the best month for weather. I'm not
saying no low power at ROCstocks. Just saying that large
youth groups are taking over and it's actually not fair to the
high-power flyers.
These high-power flyers are primarily ROC Executive
members.
What have been the ROC Executive membership numbers been
for say the last 5 years? What is the relationship between
the number of low power flights, high power flights, and ROC
Executive membership?
Richard Dierking
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