Hi everyone, I'm new to the list and trying to learn more about pythons, with the possibility of trying to make one sometime this summer. Anyway, I had a question about the handling of a bike --- all things being equal (which I know they almost never are) is the handling of the bike all about the seat rising effect? For example, a bike with 14cm of NT and a 60 degree pivot angle has about the same amount of seat rise as a comparable bike with 30cm of NT and a 78 or so pivot angle. All things being equal (center of gravity, wheelbase, wheel size, etc), would these two bikes more or less handle the same? Thanks! I apologize if this has been covered before. I've been trying to make my way through the archive, but there's just so much information to go through. --Timothy Walters Kleinert __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com