thanks Rob, frankly enough is enough. Let's get on with making images. I don't take mud baths for my body and i surely don't want them for my soul. regards, ann -------------- Original message -------------- > I rather thought that this list had already arrived at where it wants to be. > From my viewpoint, your presumption that this list at freelists is not where > it > wants to be, is incorrect. > The problem now is that some people on another list elsewhere want to be > somewhere else but not here. > That is fine and dandy but as long as those who want to be in another place > try > to foster opinion and support from those who have already arrived at where > they > want to be, there will be bickering about where that other place should be > and > whether in fact that other place should exist at all or whether it is just a > fantasy drama. > The best policy would be to keep quiet about it at this list and let those > who > want to be somewhere else bicker about being somewhere else, somewhere else. > Then when they've finished bickering and found that place that they are > looking > for they can merely present it as available and those who want to go to that > other place are free to do so at that time, or any other time for that > matter. > > rob > > > > At 12/09/2004 12:39 -0400, you wrote: > >sep1204 from Lloyd Erlick, > > > >I think we've developed a bit of needless acrimony. > > > >I'd like to look upon the various people who are advocating their versions > >of what we should do as developers of various contingency plans. They are > >very kindly offering resources and personal time. They have for the most > >part described their plans for others to consider. > > > >Perhaps we could stay where the list is at present, until we perceive a > >need to change again. By then we will have had lots of time to discuss the > >various plans, and the next change could be much more orderly and thought > >out. > > > >In the meantime, it would be much more productive to discuss the matter(s) > >unemotionally and without personal aspersions. Really, we're very fortunate > >to have such an embarrassment of riches. Look what we're doing - arguing > >over which unbelievably generous offer to accept! I'd rather have the > >various generous parties think about their plan and set things up at their > >own ends in such a way that when or if the time comes some chosen plan > >could be implemented painlessly. > > > >Also, since Tim has pointed out that he has basically paid for it all over > >the years, we should consider a way to get some cash. For a start, could we > >think about sending some modest amount to help with costs? I'd propose > >twenty dollars per year. I'd also just leave it loose, call it the honour > >system if you like. Even a handful of regulars ponying up modestly would > >probably make a difference. > > > >I would say we should just trust the list keeper with the money, since it > >will very likely be a small amount! > > > >My competence is not at all in the digital arena, so I am content to go > >along with the server/software/tech decisions of others on this list who > >obviously know better than I do. > > > >However, I do have competence in the area of human relations. (Think it's > >possible to do portraits like mine without it?) And I say this discussion > >group should adhere strictly to its own, former, high standards of > >behaviour. The true uniqueness of this group is not the technical > >proficiency of the participants, but the civility of the discourse. Without > >that, the willingness of individual participants dwindles over time, and > >the quality of the whole suffers as the various technically proficient > >members wander away. We have been fortunate to see the reverse process > >taking place -- an extreme rarity -- and we should do our best to promote > >that aspect of our activities. > > > >regards, > >--le > >________________________________ > >Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto. > >voice: 416-686-0326 > >email: portrait@xxxxxxxxxxxx > >net: www.heylloyd.com > >________________________________ > > > > > >=============================================================================== > > > ============================== > >To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your > account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you > subscribed,) > and unsubscribe from there. > > ================================================================================ > > ============================= > To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your > account > (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and > unsubscribe from there. ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.