[pure-silver] Re: light tight louvered vents & warmtone paper

Well I suspect that there might be several issues going on and not uncommon ones.  I am not a contractor and don't play one on TV, but the father in law was.  The house was likely built not expecting any significant weight being there.  They were likely built expecting to be a ceiling joist  A floor joist needs to be much stronger than a ceiling joist.  Yet then people decide wouldn't it be great to store stuff up there and cover it with some sort of lumber or plywood.  Now its a floor with maybe hundreds of pounds of weight on it constantly.  Really may not be that much weight, something a 2x8 would easily take, but not 2x4's.    You said the 2x4 seemed larger than normal for today.  A 2x4 is really about 1 3/4 by 3 1/2 or so and a 6 is about 5 1/2 or so.  You might have 2x6's there now.  Yet 2x6s that are 10 feet long are not nearly as strong as one might think.

The idea of pulling up the floor for access is a good idea.  That way you know what you have.  You are not guessing anymore and you may find something you really don't want to see, but might be glad you do.  Insulation there is a good idea, but do not forget there is another option too to combine with it.  They make a product called a radiant barrier that is stapled over the rafters that is very effective and an added insulating factor.

This kind of fix isn't for the rookie. You really need a contractor and probably someone with an engineering background and to help out on a repair like this.  It isn't cheap, but do it right and do it once.  Doing it cheap and do it twice almost always cost more. lol
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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: light tight louvered vents & warmtone paper
From: Eric Nelson <emanmb@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, February 18, 2012 2:00 pm
To: "pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Interesting point Mark although 2x6's will raise the floor height in a slightly cramped space.  It's the floor joists for the attic or ceiling joists for 2nd floor. I'm not sure how you refer to them.  

The floor is mostly unfinished with loose planks,  so we want to pull those old boards out and replace it with an even floor w/access for junction boxes.  With the boards out it'll be easy access to the joists, insulate, etc.

Over the last couple weeks we found out how much of a blessing hail storms are.  

While the golfball sized hail was coming down I was bemoaning the loss of my struggling garden plants.  Little did I know the windfall we were about to receive.  New siding, insulation, window caps, roof for house and garage, garage joists were sistered and major repairs done there.  With $ left over they were able to do extra work as well.  What company even tells you there's $ left over?  If you're in the Chicago area I know a great company.
The glass block windows shown are in the studio here. :)

On the photo side of things now, I'm printing a large body of work for a famous portrait photog here and tested Ilford warmtone, Foma WT, and Oriental WT.
Ilford's is barely warm using Ansco 115 developer which is afaik, the warmest developer one can use @1:4 or 1:5.
Foma was nice but is a dang slow paper.
Oriental WT was the bestest of the lot in Ansco 115 @1:5 for 2-2.5 mins.  It also has a warm/cream base and I can recommend it if one likes warm toned prints.  Client has said some prints are the best he's seen of particular images that had been printed previously.  Many haven't been printed before.
I'd be interested in hearing of any developer that provides warmer results if there is such a formula.

From: "mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 11:43 AM
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: light tight louvered vents

In many applications Id rather have the 122 year old lumber than some of the excuse for lumber they have available today.  If its sagging make sure it was strong enough in the first place.  They have a better understanding of spans distances and strength needed to handle the loads for a given span.  You may need 2x6 instead of 2x4's  Is the inside finished??  Would adding a post or two for support be a big problem in the use of the room?  May not be a big deal for some rooms, but if you need to drive a car in, it better be a pretty big room to get it in and not hit a post.  LOL  You would be amazed at how well some of the old sheds have held up over time.

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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: light tight louvered vents
From: Eric Nelson <emanmb@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, February 18, 2012 9:23 am
To: "pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Thanks Ken that's what I was thinking too!  
The old 2x4's are much larger than present day but still they ain't that strong esp. after 122 years.

If some of the ceiling joists are sagging, others will likely soon follow. Sister them all and be done with it! Of course you need to take into consideration the additional weight load from the new lumber added, so maybe you should remove/replace all the ceiling joists. Go to HGTV and ask Mike Holmes!

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