On a side note, the MACO/Rollei peopl ehave that TP replacement film and a low-contrast developer for it. maybe worth trying --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Richard Knoppow <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Richard Knoppow <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Technical Pan To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 4:31 PM ----- Original Message ----- From: İbrahim Pamuk To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 1:47 AM Subject: [pure-silver] Technical Pan Hi, I have unopen but expired 10 years old bulk Technical Pan. I know that Technidol might be the best for pictoral use. I have also used with 1:150 Rodinal.Is there any other recommendation? Best Regards Ibrahim Pamuk Technical Pan required a special developer called Technidol. I doubt if its still available but similar results can be gotten with POTA. Pota is a special, very low contrast developer, made with essentially Phenidone and sulfite. While highly diluted Rodinal will work it really is not optimum. One formula for POTA is: Water at 125 F------------300 mL Sodium Sulfite-------------30 g Phenidone-----------------1.5 g Water to make --------------1 Liter Use cold distilled water This developer must be mixed shortly before using and is to be discarded after use. While distilled water is called for I don't think its necessary. Photographer's Formulary has a somewhat different formula at: http://www.photoformulary.com/uploads/01-0075.pdf Note that both of these as well as Kodak Technidol Liquid are short lived in working solution. I don't know if the data sheet for Technical Pan is still available from the Kodak web site, if not I have it and will send it via e-mail if you like. Its possible that Freestyle may still have some Technidol Liquid in stock. Note that a special agitation technique is required by the directions. I don't know if this is a specific requirement of Technidol Liquid or is due to the very thin emulsion of Technical Pan. Technidol appears to have surfactants to avoid uneven development. This was a problem with early Technical Pan as well as emulson faults (small spots), the cocktail shaker agitation may be a result of this. When I used Tech Pan I found that the recommended development times give somewhat higher contrast than I wanted so reduced time about 20% and added about 3/4 stop of exposure. Note also that Tech Pan has extended red sensitivity, this may result in somewhat strange tone rendition of skin tones (too light), a light green filter will cure this. For women the effect can be flattering but there is a loss of modeling unless some care is taken with the lighting. -- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.