----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Hart1" <kwhart1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:22 AM Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Pinhole photography using directly scanned photographic paper.
All I got at the link was a pdf of a title page, no further details, so I can't speak intelligently. There was at one time a product called "Printing Out Paper". I don't know if anyone is still making it or if this is what is being used. POP was used for contact printing proofs. The negative was sandwiched with the paper and exposed to an intense light (sunlight?) for a few minutes. A warmtone image appearred and lasted for a few months if protected from intense light. No chemicals were required. Ken Hart kwhart1@xxxxxxxxxxx
FWIW, Printing Out Paper (POP) was made until recently by Kentmere and sold in the USA as Centenial paper and I think some other brands. POP uses an unwashed emulsion with an excess of silver. The image appears on direct application of very intense light, such as sunlight. POP was used for proofing portraits for decades and was supplied by every paper manufacturer. I think the last of that was Kodak's POP which was discontinued about twenty-five years ago. The image on POP is photolytic silver, that is, metallic silver which is converted by direct application of light to the emulsion. Since any exposure to light produces more silver the image is not permanent unless given additional treatment. This usually consists of first toning in a toner which affects the metallic silver but not the halides, usually a gold-based toner although some other metals are sometimes used. The second step is fixing out the remaining halides, usually in a plain fixing bath considerably weaker than that used for conventional materials. The idea being to prevent bleaching out of the desired image. The print is then washed and dried in the usual way. When POP was widely used there were numerous formulae for toning and combination fixing and toning baths. In general it separate toning and fixing steps were considered best practice. Kentmere appears to have discontinued POP after the merger with Ilford. The market is probably very small and POP is more perishable than conventional "developing out" materials.Note that POP has very low sensitivity compared to developing out materials so its use for making a paper negative directly in a camera would require impractically long exposures (many hours). In the "developing out" process the development stage is an amplifier so that very little light energy is required to begin an image. POP, OTOH, has no amplification property so that all the energy needed for the chemical conversion of the halides into metallic silver must come from the light producing the image.
-- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.