Harry Lock wrote: > This advice may not apply to people with guns and batons, but it is > valuable in many situations....... > > An old friend of mine who was involved in producing corporate films, > presentations, etc. had one rule: > > "Never accept 'no' from someone who does not have the authority to say > 'yes'. > I use a modified version of this. Always ask the lowest person in authority for the permission. Because if they say 'no' I can always go to their boss. One time, when it really mattered with a social service agency, this did not work out. I asked a social service worker to be put on the list of the permitted visitors for a friend of mine who was in their custody. The worker said no, so I asked the supervisor, who also said no. I called the supervisor's supervisor for permission and she did not answer the telephone and did not call back. I went to the manager of that office, who said she would have the supervisor call me back, but the supervisor did not call back. That is when I started using certified mail to them with return-receipt-requested. These did not get answered until I got one level still higher up. Then I got an official 'no' in writing. I decided not write to the governor of my state. It was hopeless. I do like the view of Grace Murray Hopper who said “It is often easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.” In my case, I could not do that. -- .~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642. /V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939. /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org ^^-^^ 07:05:01 up 1 day, 9:08, 3 users, load average: 5.09, 4.94, 4.85 ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.