> > Do not be dissuaded by those who are busy slapping themselves on the back >> for being too enlightened to spend some time focused on craft. There is not >> a lot of light where they keep their heads. > > Sounds downright biblical Dennis! I like it. Hey I noticed the paper grain's difference of direction between Ilford and Arista right away. The Ilford lay flat in the developer bath about 20 seconds in, but the Arista kept it's curl - made it easier to pick up again. Elias