[pskmail] Re: Feelings about java?
- From: Per Crusefalk <per@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: pskmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:17:46 +0100
Thanks William,
I agree that we should not start a religious war, they tend not to lead
anywhere. My sole purpose here was to research a bit more before I get
too far ahead to turn back and try something else.
Thanks for your input on java, I kind of had a hunch that many feel that
way about it. The impression about it used to be that it was slow and
hungry for memory. However, I do think it has been vastly improved and
according to some it is actually very fast nowadays. If you google "java
vs native code" you'll get abt 218000 hits with several references to
tests where java is superior to native c. Such as here:
http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2007/06/java-is-faster-than-c.html
I have previously looked briefly at python and I liked that it was
object oriented. What would you build the gui in there? GTK or QT or?
What IDE are you using and have you tried running your app on another
operating system?
Working together would be great. I'm just not sure that python is the
way to go yet (it could be of course). Perl is another script language
that should be useable on several operating systems, turns out its not
as easy as it sounds. Java sounded good to me as there would be no
ifdefs needed for other systems etc...
73 de Per, sm0rwo
ons 2008-11-26 klockan 11:33 +0100 skrev William:
> Hi Per,
>
> I don't want to trigger a religious war with this mail... But Java is
> slow on older machines, tends to be memory hungry and is not all that
> cross platform. By this last I mean that it is often a pain to get
> a good/the right jre running, and often if more than one java program
> is needed on a system more than one version of the jre is necessary.
> Not a problem for a livecd, but a pain for people who would roll their
> own system.
>
> My preference would be Python, which is also good cross platform
> (in fact there is even a thing called Jython which compiles Python
> to Java bytecode for the adventurous/masochistic). It tends to be
> very readable both in source code form and through the command
> interpreter (see ipython for tab completion, etc.).
>
> A small vested interest, I already have some code implementing part
> of pskmail/ARQ and interaction with FLDigi (though it uses the XMLRPC
> interface, it would be drop-in easy to make a class using the TCP/ARQ
> interface). I'd be happy to throw it up on google code or the like
> so we'd have integrated bugtracking, source code management, etc.
>
> In any case, the more implementations, the better (within reason)
> since it will force the protocol to be well defined.
>
> Cheers,
> -w
>
> Le 08-11-26 à 10:33, Per Crusefalk a écrit :
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm having fun writing a new cross platform client. I started out in
> > fpc/lazarus and quickly realized I would be able to have a client for
> > both linux and windows that way, some questions remain regarding mac
> > support (socket implementation in fpc seems questionable there).
> >
> > Later I started to look at java and writing the client in java would
> > make it work on any platform capable of running java (thats many).
> > But, java means a jre is required and thats 13 MB extra on the live cd
> > etc. Also, what is your current view of java? Are there things you do
> > not like about it or do you find it slow or...?
> >
> > 73 de Per, sm0rwo
> >
> >
>
> 73 de William EA5/VA3UDP
> va3udp /@/ rac.ca
>
>
>
>
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