Re: hey ken, Re: menus and visual basic with jaws

  • From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:05:49 -0500

Ken,

please clarify what to set.
under accessible role, i found menu bar, menu popup and menu item but no just plain menu. 

Bryan Schulz
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:44 PM
Subject: RE: hey ken, Re: menus and visual basic with jaws





They are property settings the accessible roll and descry stuff.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:32 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: hey ken, Re: menus and visual basic with jaws

that was actually a quote from a post by ken Perry.

hey ken can you pick this up?

elf
proprietor, The Grab Bag,
for blind computer users and programmers
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!"
www.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: menus and visual basic with jaws



hi,

great info.
you said:
though I find the menu strip accessible as long as you add the
.AccessibleRole feature and set it to menu.  "

can you explain this more?
is it code to place somewhere or is it a property setting?

Bryan Schulz
----- Original Message ----- From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: menus and visual basic with jaws



here are the assorted steps I have for working on menu's in .net:
* first set:
working with menu strips in dot net environments:

1.  Enter the form where you wish the menu strip to be placed.  You can
do

this by arrowing down in the "Solution Explorer" until your chosen form
is

highlighted.  Once it is highlighted press enter.

2.  Go to the toolbox and add a menu strip to your form.  You can enter
the

toolbox in one of two ways.

1.  Press ctrl+alt+x.

2.  Press ctrl+w and then after releasing this key combination press x.

The menu strip control can be found under the group labeled "Menus and

Toolbars".  It may be necessary for you to open this group, if so, after

highlighting the group press the right arrow.  When the group is open
"Menu
Strip" is the third item down under this group. Press enter to place the 

control on the form.

3.  Highlight the menu strip.  If you just added the menu strip to your

form, and have done nothing else, the menu strip should automatically be

highlighted.  If it is not highlighted press tab until you here "Menu
Strip

1".
4. Press your applications key. This is akin to right clicking the menu 

strip.

5.  Arrow down to "Edit Items...", and press enter.

6.  Tab to the combo box where it says:  "Select Item and Add to List

Below".

7.  Select the type of item you want to add.  The option labeled "Menu
Item"

adds a menu item to your menu strip that will become the different menus
such as "File", "Edit", etc. Then tab once to the "Add" button and press
enter. The newly added control is now listed in the listbox located just 

after the "Add" button and just before the "Remove" button.  The newly
added
control should be labeled "Tool Strip Menu Item #". The "#" representing 

how many items you've added that have this name.  The last added control

should be automatically selected.  You can arrow up and down to be sure
of

this.

8.  To set the options for the selected control tab three times.  You
should

find yourself in a list of attributes associated with the selected
control.

Set these attributes as best suits your application by selecting the

attribute you wish to change, tab once and select or type the value you

desire for the selected attribute.

*NOTE*

When you first load Visual Studio the list of attributes is grouped by

"Category".  However, you may change this organization by tabbing only
twice
from your list of controls to "Categorize Button" and left/right arrowing 


to
"Alphabetical Button". Your screen reader should inform you which of the 

two buttons is currently checked.  To check the other one simply press
the

spacebar once the appropriate button is highlighted.

9.  (Optional)

If you wish to add menu items beneath the menu you just constructed then

arrow through the list of attributes to "Drop Down Items", and then tab
twice to "Brows..." and press enter. This will take you into the area to 

add and edit items within the menu you've recently added.

10.  Repeat 6-9 until you have things satisfactory for the menu you are

working on.  Then tab to "ok" and press enter.  This will return you to
the

form in stages depending on how many menu levels deep you went

*NOTE*

Every level of a menu works the same as described above.  Steps 6-9 can
be

followed no

matter the depth of your menus.



* set two:

someone said that the best option was to install the older menu style,



this can be done by:
"if you change the MainMenuStrip to
MainMenu by doing a search and replace through out the project.  Then do
a
search and replace for MenuItemStrip and replace with MenuItem. Then you 
will get the old stuff.  Now I know there is a way to put those two in
your
tool box to but I am to lazy to because the toolbox fights with me to
much.
But I have done the above several times for different projects.  I will
say
though I find the menu strip accessible as long as you add the
.AccessibleRole feature and set it to menu.  "



* end of quotes:



HTH,

elf

proprietor, The Grab Bag,
for blind computer users and programmers
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!"
www.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: menus and visual basic with jaws



Never found the menu designer to be accessible in my opinion. Guess I
could be missing something though.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Marvin Hunkin" <startrekcafe@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:48 AM
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: menus and visual basic with jaws


hi.
designing an application with jaws 10.
and visual basic express 2008.
jaws seems to reads the menus.
how can i put a separator between the main menu and the menu items.
and then got a another menu, with which is main, then menu group menu,
then
sub items under that.
how to get jaws to read this properly.
and is there a way to size the menus.
cheers Marvin.
ps: never had this trouble when i was using jaws 6.10, or jaws 9.
never had this strange behaviour.
any one had the same problem.
I have the visual studio scripts installed.


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