Hi. doing a chapter where i have a sql database, and after playing around, was able to delete the collumns, in the table. but now the chapter says, to click on the data properties, change to edit collumsn, and cannot seem to find that, and have to use f 6 and shift f6, to get to the headers to change the smart tag, icon or some thing, so then i can bring up the edit collumsn, and then go to the format section to format the header collumns, say the header text to put something in the data grid, and to set the auto size mode to none for some of the collumsn. and using jaws 10 beta 2, with visual basic.dot net 2008 express. can any one help. was able to delete the selected collumns in vb.dot net, but cannot do this next step, and it is driving me mad. and any way, jaws does not read the data grid, maybe it is a graphic, and so no text to grab on to. first time setting up data grid views. oh, well, will just have to save the current app, and move on, to the next section of the chapter. if any one has run into this problem before with jaws, with data grids, let me know. really frustrating, and will report that to fs, but wonder if they will fix these problems. cheers Marvin. __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind