Re: Sodbeans Update --- and Release Schedule
- From: Andreas Stefik <stefika@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 11:27:49 -0600
Jared,
The code we are building will probably not be integrated into NetBeans
itself, it is an add-on module that hooks into NetBeans. With that said, it
all of our testing is done in 6.7.1 and it works fine in that environment. I
haven't tried it with grails, but it should work because the grails editors
run through the same API's as everything else.
When we release, the current plan is to do it in two forms. First, we are
going to allow folks to just grab the Sappy moduels and toss them into
NetBeans. Second, a number of folks have had major problems with the
NetBeans installer. As such, the current plan is to release a stand-alone
version of NetBeans with no installer, so these folks can use it as well.
This would have all of the accessibility tools integrated, which should be
helpful. Depending on luck, we may release a mac version before a PC
version.
And no matter how you grab it, we currently have it setup so that, if we fix
a bug, your version of NetBeans "should" automatically update to the new TTS
versions. And, you should be able to build new versions of Sappy inside of
Sappy, which should hopefully make it easier for the community to
contribute.
If we're lucky, we should have an alpha version available by March. That's
the goal at least.
Stefik
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Jared <stofflet@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> What is the current schedule for integrating at least the Sappy portion of
> the project with netbeans 6.7? In perticular I'd like to use the grails
> support available in netbeans but it's only available in 6.7
>
>
> Andreas Stefik wrote:
>
>> Howdy folks,
>>
>> I wanted to drop in and give an update on the Sodbeans project.
>> Development on our project is moving ahead at breakneck speed. First,
>> starting in January, we will have three developers working on the project,
>> one focusing on screen reader compatibility issues, one working on compiler
>> and debugger issues, and another (me) working on the code for both. On this
>> note, we have split off the Sodbeans code base into two primary pieces:
>>
>> 1. Sappy: Sappy is a side project that includes a number of self-voicing
>> but screen reader compatible fixes to accessibility in NetBeans. This
>> package is very general and, on our internal build, fixes a number of
>> accessibility problems in NetBeans proper, through a combination of internal
>> NetBeans API's and other tricks. You can do anything that you could do
>> normally in NetBeans using Sappy (e.g., Java, php, ruby on rails, sappy
>> development.), but much more accessibly, especially on Mac OSX
>>
>> 2. Sodbeans itself is a custom compiler/debugger/programming language
>> added into NetBeans that we are testing to try and determine the best
>> possible sounds/features that would work for the blind. Since it includes
>> all custom components, this environment is more accessible than the Sappy
>> build (and dramatically more so then NetBeans proper), but, for technical
>> reasons, includes the special accessibility features only for our language.
>> Sodbeans also includes all fixes in Sappy.
>>
>> In other words, Sappy is our general accessibility fixes, while Sodbeans
>> is a proof of concept trying to show the best possible Blind Programming
>> IDE. In an effort to get more blind individuals involved in Sappy and
>> Sodbeans development, we will be releasing Sappy separately, which will make
>> it much easier for folks to contribute to the Sappy/Sodbeans projects.
>>
>> And finally, while we don't have a release date yet for Sodbeans, we
>> already have pre-release builds of Sappy on our deployment server for
>> testing and will be distributing it to a few select individuals within the
>> next few weeks for a pre-alpha screening. If all goes well, we are hoping to
>> have a formal release by early March.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Andreas Stefik, Ph.D.
>> Assistant Professor
>> Department of Computer Science
>> Southern Illinois University Edwardsville
>>
>>
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