[patriots] Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Constitution
- From: "Fred Bishop" <fredbiship@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <simon.kotlowski@xxxxxxx>, <mikegreen247@xxxxxxxxx>, <patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "ECG" <ecg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 11:50:09 +0100
I include the ECG group because I think it is fundamental to the
Constitution issue.
IN RESPONSE to the Bugle.
but with the might of the entire English Propaganda and Mind Conditioning
Service ranged against you
That is both wrong and very biased Peter.
It is the British propaganda machine. It is most affective against the
English people. Denied a government, a voice and now being pushed to
oblivion by regionalisation.
Look at it objectively.
The call for an English Parliament is greater than the call for unionism or
independence in Scotland but the propaganda machine universally denies it
saying there is no call for an English parliament.
This poll by the Biased British Broadcasting Corp.
cid:image001.gif@01CFD4C7.04815940
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6264823.stm There appears more call for an
English parliament in all three countries than there was for Scottish
independence or Unionism in Scotland!
Look at the hype about a decisive will of the people that needs to be
addressed etc. in the Scottish vote.
I think it is a fair stretch of the imagination to say that there is an
English propaganda machine, it is a British construct and our universal
enemy but most of all it is the English enemy as
we are the only people in Western world destined to be ethnically
obliterated by our own government.
The British/Scottish plan has come together perfectly.
Massive powers to Scotland, Independence in all but name and all
underwritten by the British using British funds.
That settled the Brits will concentrate on stage two which is the
dismantling of England.
Although I pushed for Scottish independence hoping that it would invariably
lead to an English parliament, That was a forlorn and naïve hope.
We really needed to stick together and fight the real enemy- the toxic
Brits.
The border will not stop the massive influx of immigrants to both Scotland
and Wales over time, but it is initially concentrated and confined to
England to create disunity.
They recognised that and using both their control of the media and massive
public funds they neutered us all with ease .
He that controls the media, funds, judiciary, ballot box and army is a foe
to be reckoned with.
Their target is all of us.
The Scottish vote 55%-45% should be enough to tell that the vote was
rigged. Just enough to be decisive but enough to retain the threat to a
British Westminster.
Now wait for the extra powers to Wales. Thus creating the EU regions of
Scotland and Wales and using that as a lynchpin, they will use the British
propaganda machinery to convince the naïve in England
that it is now time to be FAIR to England and solve the West Lothian
problem.
Just wait for the full blooded cry of the media hounds to insist that
England too needs to be massively devolved. Devolved, meaning destroyed,
into 9 EU regions thus completing the Brussels/British dream.
England gone, Scotland and Wales simply waiting powerlessly to be subsumed
into the German led superstate. Decades of planning coming to fruition and
what a cracking job that the pseudo patriotic Scots/ Welsh and British have
accomplished. Divide and conquer strategy at its most supreme.
Mass immigration was the distracting mechanism to keep English minds busy
and the same tactics will be used against Scotland/Wales. Immigrants will
inevitably be encouraged to migrate further. It is the only effective weapon
against patriotism and territorial loyalties. If Scotland offers free
university education, better healthcare and social amenities migration will
inevitably occur, after all this is the very reason that they came to
England and they have only self-interest not territorial loyalties to
consider.
I think the plan is for Scotland, Wales and the 9 British EU regions to
become rivals fighting for money and favours from the British Government.
We shall of course need a strong hand from Europe to help us out of our
squabbling bought about by our unfortunate dilemma.
You say we shall never know the truth and you are right but before we build
the statue to mighty Alex let us consider that he is a socialist Europhile.
I suspect that he, Brown, Cameron are all down the pub congratulating each
other on a fine job well done.
He is now resigning and I believe that this term was a comeback as he had
jacked the job in before.
This may just be a clue as to why he was resurrected. It will be interesting
to wait and see where he goes from here.
Fred
From: Peter Mchugh [mailto:peter.mchugh@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 19 September 2014 21:04
To: david@xxxxxxxx; Roy Weston
Subject: NEXT DAY IS TODAY
Alvechurch Bugle 4 060 ( 19 9 14 )
NICE TRY SCOTLAND nice try ! - but with the might of the entire English
Propaganda and Mind Conditioning Service ranged against you, the result was
virtually inevitable, wasnt it ?
This view was shared by a young tearful lady on News at One, saying she was
disgusted by the blatantly biased media tactics throughout the campaign.
Many in Westminster, will be wearing clean underwear this morning, and for
the very good reason that : they got away with it !
Well never know the truth, or why such a massive campaign to denigrate the
YES support, was mounted, but the reasons are definitely there .
Keeping vital knowledge from the electorate, is something : Westminster,
Whitehall and the Intelligence Services have become highly skilled at, and
they worked out long ago, how to avoid the inconvenience of a well informed
electorate interrupting EU policy implementation, here.
The key technique employed, has been to keep the level of debate as shallow
as possible, using noisy mid day radio squabbles, between supposedly well
informed presenters, and ideally set at the level of England v Scotland
football rivalry, spiced with a bit of : the Scots live off us English, and
arent they a load of ungrateful bastards ?
It has been flippantly suggested, that Cameron and Co had a genuine desire
to preserve the union, but there is little evidence of such warmth flowing
from : Belfast and Cardiff in our direction, and did the NO voters simply
vote with their wallets ? .
Thankfully, not everyone was so easily fooled, and the good people of
Glasgow kept the faith, and will keep the vision.
David Camerons legacy in Scotland will amount to no more than
a bloody minded thwarting of the aspirations of a : proud, strong, viable
people, and he did it to avoid the lid being lifted on the secret agenda
that Brussels insists he adhere to.
He isnt out of the wood yet, the debate on forty years of mis-governance of
Britain is just beginning, thanks to Alex who has stirred the deep reeking
mud at the bottom of the Westminster pond.
Constitutional matters will be now raised, something which is long overdue,
as no one in Westminster, Whitehall or the Palace know : what they were
what they are - or what they should be , since all three stood idly by
while we were illegally integrated into the fraudulent European Union.
If this campaign was messy, think what the Etonian mafia will attempt to set
in motion in 2017, to avoid England voting to leave the European Union, and
remember they have all the experience of
rigging the 1975 referendum to call on.
Its still on isnt it Dave ? - - - Dave - - Dave - - DAVE !
Ed. - - - Bromsgrovia.
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On Behalf Of simon kotlowski
Sent: 20 September 2014 11:31
To: mikegreen247@xxxxxxxxx; patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Constitution
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/19/scotland-referendum-rigging-caught-i
n-secret-video/
the link shows allot more than a mistake. Look at the pile of yes on the
no table.
You really think the London bankers, city of London, Satanists are going to
let Scotland go free????
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Mike Green
Sent: 20 September 2014 10:15
To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Constitution
Hi Jack,
The quality would suggest one of those tiny pen or watch cameras. However I
don't believe the people are doing what he claims they are. The first clip
of the woman is the same sequence played several times. It looks to me like
she may just have put a couple of papers on the wrong pile and then
corrected her mistake. The man is hardly filling in the ballot paper
himself, that is not possible as they are all numbered and already filled in
by the voters. If you look carefully he is putting an elastic band around a
bundle of papers and then writes something (probably the total) on the top
one. He also writes for longer and with more care than it would take to mark
a cross. As for the table with the bundles of ballot papers this could be
after all the votes have been counted, who knows.
Mike.
On 20/09/14 10:05, Jack Lewis wrote:
I would like to know how he managed to do this and to get so close?
Jack
On 20/09/2014 09:55, ECG wrote:
Regarding the Scottish Referendum, has anyone seen this horrific YouTube
clip on voting fraud ?
Do watch. I do not know whether this is a spoof but it does not look like
it. Maybe Westminster behind this ???
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUR-HgAtwtg>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUR-HgAtwtg
Regards
Vanessa
From: ECG <mailto:ecg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:19 AM
To: ECG <mailto:ecg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fwd: Re: [patriots] Constitution
This would be a good conference for Albert to speak at. We must try and get
him in.
Jack
On 20/09/2014 08:18, john TIMBRELL wrote:
good morning patriots,
I'm circulating this for the report by Rupert Read, (third one down) in
which he promotes a peoples conference to iron out constitutional problems,
specifically he calls for a non elite conference presumably because he does
not trust the politicians and lawyers.
he also mentions an important letter to the times last week.Does anyone have
access to it.
JohnT
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Blog Admin posted: "On 18 September, Scotland voted against independence by
a margin of 55-45 per cent. We asked a number of experts to comment on the
results and what might occur in future. John Van Reenen: "The economic case
for maintaining the union was overwhelming" "
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referendum result: The Nays have it
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On 18 September, Scotland voted against independence by a margin of 55-45
per cent. We asked a number of experts to comment on the results and what
might occur in future.
* John Van Reenen: "The economic case for maintaining the union was
overwhelming"
* Norman Bonney: "Clearly the great ambitions of the reconvened
Scottish Parliament of 1999 to transform politics in Scotland in a more
participatory direction have failed"
* Rupert Read: "The Yes campaign has played a vital role in throwing
open questions about the support for our current constitutional settlement"
* Craig McAngus: "Although the Scottish Question will remain on the
agenda, the English Question has also been asked"
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Reenen 80x108John Van Reenen - Professor of Economics and director of the
Centre for Economic Performance, LSE
The immense turnout of 85% is a tribute to healthy democracy in Scotland and
the UK as a whole. The Scottish people were brave to vote against breaking
up the UK. There was immense pressure in the campaign to make the vote a
declaration of identity rather than of reason You can only really be
Scottish if you vote yes. This was always deeply offensive and deeply
untrue. It is possible and desirable in the modern world to have multiple
identities and indeed, civilised living requires this. Gordon Browns
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J39bBV7CBJk> speech on the eve of the vote -
at last - made this into a passionate rallying call.
As I have argued <http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/ea018.pdf> before, the
economic case for maintaining the union was overwhelming. There are now two
major battles ahead. The first is over the European Union as the Prime
Minister has promised a vote on this by 2017. This has even more risks for
the prosperity of the UK than the Scottish vote. The economic arguments in
favour of this continued union are also
<http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/pa016.pdf> overwhelming, but the siren
call of barren nationalism will again be amplified by UKIP and a great many
narrow minded politicians. And the Scottish referendum has shown that many
people will find this an attractive song - for distant Westminster read
distant Brussels).
The second battle will be constitutional change. Powers will go to Scotland,
but what about the other countries of the UK? What is clear is that people
are deeply unhappy about over-centralisation of power in Westminster. We
need to consider more power to the city-regions of England and how to
economically revitalise areas outside of London. The
<http://www.lse.ac.uk/researchAndExpertise/units/growthCommission/home.aspx>
LSE Growth Commission has been followed up by a
<http://www.citygrowthcommission.com/> City Growth Commission (I am one of
the members). We will issue our report next month calling for a new
settlement within England across its major city-regions to match the changes
now proposed between England and Scotland.
This is not the end of a move to decentralise power its just the start.
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CAMERANorman Bonney - Emeritus Professor at Edinburgh Napier University
Clearly the great ambitions of the reconvened Scottish Parliament of 1999 to
transform politics in Scotland in a more participatory direction have
failed. About half the Scottish electorate do not believe that the current
arrangements which grant generous funding and extensive powers of
self-government over health, education, local government, transport and
planning etc. (with more in the pipeline) are capable of delivering greater
involvement, more equality and social justice. The Labour Party has failed
to use the institutions it created to strengthen its position in Scotland
and the stature of its MSPs has never matched the challenge of the SNP. It
has also conceded the progressive campaigning initiative in socially
deprived neighbourhoods to the independence movement and faces a major
challenge to retain its electoral base.
UK party leaders seemed out of touch when campaigning in Scotland. David
Cameron emphasised the apparent weakness of the Tories in Scotland by
referring to the one Scottish MP. But disproportionality at Westminster
minimises apparent Tory support in Scotland and he could have bolstered the
partys status by mentioning the 15 Tory MSPs (12%) elected under the
proportional representation system as well as Ruth Davidson, their
impressive leader. The hidden agenda of the establishment of the Scottish
Parliament, elected by proportional representation, was to prevent a
separatist administration gaining control of Holyrood. But a low poll in
2011 returned an SNP majority elected by only 45 per cent of those voting
but with a commitment to hold a referendum on independence. And in the end
campaigning may have made little difference to the final outcome with
separatists again polling the same percentage share as in 2011.
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University of East Anglia and until recently a Green Party Councillor in
Norwich.
The Yes campaign has played a vital role in throwing open questions about
the support for our current constitutional settlement questions that will
not go away simply because of a narrow defeat for the 'Yes' campaign. In
fact, the questions are in many cases more urgent than they would have been,
had Scotland simply been going its own way.
The debate triggered by the referendum has illustrated how people across the
country have been left feeling unrepresented and neglected by Westminster
policies and politics. It is clear that the business as usual approach to
politics favoured by the three 'main' parties is no longer resonating with
the voting electorate. There is now a real opportunity to mount a serious
reassessment of our political system including a debate over the
introduction of a written Constitutional Convention and Bill of Rights. And
this opportunity is forced upon us, by us all being still in the same
Kingdom together.
For the three largest parties have had to commit themselves to some version
of 'devo-max', in the last few weeks, in order to stave off independence.
So, we must now have some version of devo-max and that that means that the
'West Lothian question', the question of what matters the MP for West
Lothian etc. can vote for in Westminster, must at last be properly addressed
- which requires a serious shake-up of our constitution and democratic
arrangements, in itself.
As Green MP Caroline Lucas has already
<http://www.carolinelucas.com/media.html/2014/09/18/referendum-an-open-lette
r-to-the-three-party-leaders/> called for, it is therefore now high time for
a people's Constitutional Convention in this country. To settle all these
questions, once and for all, and to take British democracy at last into the
21st century. The crisis of a wide lack of confidence in the political
system of the UK can only be addressed by a non-elite Constitutional
Convention that involves ordinary people in deciding on how to reform the
electoral system, how to bring in enhanced regional and local government,
how to implement a right of recall of elected MPs who lose their
constituents' confidence, and so on. As a host of fine relevant individuals
and organisations argued in an
<http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/images/dynamicImages/file5419629152c1f.p
df> important letter in The Times last week. We need to get behind this
campaign, together.
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removed by sender. craigCraig McAngus - Research Fellow at the University of
Stirling
The referendum is over and Scotland has voted No. There is undoubtedly huge
disappointment amongst those who were campaigning for Scotland to be an
independent state, and relief amongst those who wanted Scotland to stay in
the UK. The turnout, at just shy of 85%, is remarkable and unprecedented,
and the hope is that this democratic engagement in politics can be sustained
moving forward. We know that the pro-UK parties are committed to further
devolution for Scotland and the three main parties will soon begin the
arduous task of putting together a joint position on what those powers
should be. The aim is to have these proposals in draft law by January, and
the clock is certainly ticking in terms of meeting this deadline.
Although the Scottish Question will remain on the agenda, the English
Question has also been asked. At just after 7am, David Cameron made a
statement outlining plans for a sweeping review of the relationship between
the nations of the UK. Crucially, he stated that an answer to the infamous
West Lothian Question would be sought and the issue of English Votes for
English Laws (EVEL) would be examined. Reports in the media suggest that he
was under pressure from a number of MP's who insisted that the issue be
visited in return for allowing the Barnett Formula to remain an, as yet,
unquestioned feature of territorial politics in the UK. John Redwood, a
long-time advocate of EVEL, was interviewed on BBC News this morning
suggesting that, in his view, there ought to be days when The Commons
focuses on English legislation only. This is obviously problematic in that
if Labour were reliant on their Scottish MP's for a majority, or even to
exist as the largest party, then they would be outnumbered by the opposition
on these English-only days. However, there is political capital in dealing
with this question given that recent research has shown that the English are
not exactly pleased at the perceived over-funding of Scotland. UKIP have
also sniffed an opportunity to exploit this, and so Cameron is now using the
constitution as part of his campaign in the run-up to the UK General
Election. In the longer term, there is no doubt that a can of worms has been
opened here and so, in a somewhat ironic way, the search for a Scottish
Answer has subsequently asked the English, and the wider British, Question.
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