Jack
I am always interested when people assume what I know or don't know to
back an argument against me.
I understand the the basic subject of biblical translations very well
and different versions of the bible.
You quote greek but the original texts were not greek were they? So we
could debate for the next two years whilst the real enemy laughs and
takes our country apart.
As an example Oliver Letwin is controlling the Tory party and policy and
controlling the Queen's purse - is he Muslim? I don't think so but why
are you not researchinga nd warning about him?
The basis of your argument is that the message of Christ encourages us
to kill our enemies. That is simply not true.
I watch with great sadness as more and more 'activists' 'patriots' are
focusing on the fruits of treason which is war and the displacement of
people and fail to focus on the people and their doctrine causing it.
If you want me to join a claim that the Muslim's are the real enemy I
will not because it is not true. That is the false propaganda message.
End of message I have enough to do without these unproductive email
exchanges.
Try looking at the word to the disciples - spread the gospel and drive
out demons - what of who were those demons?
rgds Bg
On 04/12/2015 11:37, Jack Lewis wrote:
Hi Brian,
I was reading your reply to Chris and noticed a cavalier attitude to understanding the original languages in which the Bible was written! You cannot say that defining the meanings of the words used in the original languages as choosing -Quote:
/'//the meaning you feel fits your own preconceived ideas -"
/It is this attitude that has misled 99% of Christians from the Bible's true meaning through examination of the original languages.
I'll give you an example:
In English we talk about menloving to make love, loving their wives, loving other men, loving their children, loving their parents, loving their job, loving art, loving music etc. etc.. The Greeks have 5 different words for 'love'. The one that is used will depend on the context in which it is used. Its the same in German with the word for 'friend'. There is a masculine and feminine version. Therefore to tell your wife you were out with a friend the night before in English, even though it might have been a lady, let's you off the hook but not so in German - you could be in serious trouble.
So it is with the Bible and this is what Chris was trying to explain to you. Therefore another apology is needed only this time to Chris.
Jack
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Chris Pead’s, replies to Brian Gerrish.
You are misquoting what I said. I was referring to "generally" in respect only to the 2 versions of enemy which I quoted. I am not making up an interpretation to the bible word Enemy - this how it is exactly described in the original Hebrew and Greek for which they had 7 types of enemy, but unfortunately the KJV under Jewish-Canaanite influence translated all the different types of enemy as just enemy - after all it is just a version of the original. Christ certainly did not love all people - He said He came for His people only (The Caucasians) - Matt 15 - 24 also see 2 Chron 19; 1-2.
God also instructed his people not to associate with the heathen nor tolerate their heathen temples in your land. - Chris
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I don't think so.
The bible is not there to choose the meaning you feel fits your own preconceived ideas -
'refers generally to' - this is vague stuff
He is your racial kinsman but your er 'enemy'!!!
This is nothing to do with what Christianity is about - we are not point scoring from books we are applying the love of Jesus Christ in life to real human beings.
If you wish to interpret the bible to allow you to attack others you are certainly on the wrong path.
Kind Regards Brian G
On 02/12/2015 21:07, Chris Pead wrote:
Hello Brian, The Bible certainly does not say love your enemy! You are obviously quoting Judeo-Christian claptrap - the Hebrew and Greek had > 7 words for enemy. The one referring to "Turn the other cheek" and "Love your enemy" refers generally to the annoying neighbour type of enemy who is your racial kinsman. You should always use a first edition to concordance to check word meanings before making such statements - I suggest you apologise to John, who was right this time, for your error you made. - Chris
On 03/12/2015 19:58, Chris Pead wrote:
Yes John you are right – see my reply to Brian - Chris
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Subject: RE: [patriots] Love your enemy?
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 07:26:51 +0000
Brian, As usual you twist what I say to cover up your own
inadequacies.
I have never advocated violence. What I wanted you to do was to
use your voice to criticise those including Christian Church
Leaders who state that Islam is a peaceful religion. If you or
they cannot be bothered to read the Koran to find that the
terrorists are doing exactly as the Koran promotes.
Unless this truth becomes more widely accepted we stand no chance
of countering it. The Children in their school spend large parts
of their days chanting things from the Koran. You are against mind
control yet support it's continuance in Muslim schools by your
silence.
I repeat I have never advocated Violence. I promote using our law
to stop the evil amongst us. Quite the opposite is happening when
the police protect people carrying banners "Kill the infidel"
Your refusal to tell the truth implies a hidden motive.
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 21:54:49 +0000
Hi Brian,
I think you had better have another look at who exactly Jesus was
talking to when he said that!
Jack
On 02/12/2015 18:50, Brian Gerrish wrote:
John T
Oh dear.
You quote the Koran incorrectly and seem unaware of a key
Christian commandment of "love thine enemy". If you regard
them as such - I don't.
You have not learned what Christianity is.
Yes let's all unleash hatred and violence against the Muslim
'hoards' and see where that gets us - nowhere but plays
directly into the hands of those that would divide and rule.
Go on get the hatred out there - let's ignore the real danger,
which is the traitors who have betrayed the country...oh yes
they are voting on killing more people today...that is not a
debate in a Muslim parliament but ours.
You don't get up my nose - I just wish you would think instead
of dangerous rhetoric.
rgds Bg
On 02/12/2015 18:05, john TIMBRELL wrote:
Quite correct for their criticism of the proposal of UK
bombing of Syria. So why does Brian Gerrish support Islam
as a peaceful religion, when if one reads the Koran it is
full of hate for none believers. The terrorists are just
carrying out the dictates of the Koran.I thought Brian you
were a Christian .How can you advocate going against the
first of the ten commandments. You quite correctly point
out the evils of Satanism. So how can you justify your
remarks to me about Islam being a peaceful religion. .
Your published statements demean your obvious attributes.
Sincerely.JohnT.
P.S. I know I get up your nose. But I use the same
critical language that you use against the BBC and your
local MP. Quite correct of course. But if you throw stones
you should expect some to come back to you if you yourself
act in a devious manner.Go on throw some back at me
without your previous abuse. Answer my point about the
first commandment.
You criticised your local MP for not sticking to his
Christian belief so where do you really stand on your
supposed Christian belief. Before replying, if you dare,
read the first commandment.
