[passcoalition] 7th Avenue/23rd street safety improvements
- From: Ken Stewart <cclvi@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: passcoalition@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 15:01:28 -0700 (PDT)
Thank you too Gene.
Trunkated dome strips have been a federal requirement whenever a renovation
occurs since 2004, although the City has been ignoring that requirement in many
instances.
I recall discussions many years ago in the Access Board's Public Rights of
Way Access Advisory Committee, the value of a smaller corner radius for the
reasons you mention- slowing down turning vehicles, and permitting better
pedestrian alignment with proper direction of crossing.
My description of "bus bulbs" draws on the plans for 34th Street
intersections.
--- On Fri, 4/8/11, Gene Bourquin DHA <oandmhk@xxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Gene Bourquin DHA <oandmhk@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [passcoalition] Re: My concerns regarding 7th Avenue/23rd street
safety improvements
To: "PASS listserv" <passcoalition@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 5:31 PM
Thanks Ken,
On your first two points, these were definitely part of what we sent to the D
of T.
On the third point, curb radius is usually determined by the existing
infrastructure and the impact engineer what to make on traffic speed -- with
wider radius allowing for larger vehicles to turn faster. Smaller radius also
means shorter crossing distance. I am not sure about best practices, but I am
sure the city is not planning on changing these corner, since they stated they
won't even add the detectable warning which I believe need to be added since
they are doing major work at the intersection. It is maddening that they are
building major structures like medians yet will not fix the detectable warnings
at curb cuts. The existing treatment has been proven ineffective and best
practices says they must install DWS. It's as if they still have no ideas of
the impact of these decisions and just blithely do what they want.
On your last point, of course I agree, and I believe Lukas and Janet told us
these are considered best practices, but since the information we have does
not explain what the traffic plaza is or how it will be used, I'm not sure if
this applies to any area with this intersections. But it very well could.
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> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 12:59:26 -0700
> From: cclvi@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [passcoalition] Re: My concerns regarding 7th Avenue/23rd street
> safety improvements
> To: passcoalition@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> I strongly support the expressed concerns from Annalyn, Gene, and others. I
> have not yet had access to the intersection plan either in tactile or large
> print format. I am puzzled by the use of the word, "island". An island has
> vehicle areas all around, in contrast to a peninsula. I am guessing that the
> "Transit plaza" described being at the southeast corner, is what D of T staff
> in the meetings I have attended, call a "bus bulb". This feature occupies
> the former curb traffic lane, and includes the first portion of a crosswalk
> plus a bus shelter.
> I shall try to hastily offer several design features on which we should
> insist;
> -Each crosswalk must have an APS on its own pole immediately adjacent to the
> up-block edge of each crosswalk landing
> -At an intersection every border between a pedestrrian area and a vehicle
> lane must be separated with a 24-inch wide high visual contrast strip of
> trunkated domes.
> -All corners including those on bulb outs, must have a minimal corner radius,
> ideally a right angled corner.
> -Any pedestrian area beyond the conventional sidewalks which has
> installations to prevent any vehicle movement across it (such as a snow
> plow), must receive items that have a flat side parallel to the pedestrian
> path of travel at least on the side alongside the pedestrian path of travel
> (round flower pots are not acceptable but rectangular ones are. Likewise,
> bollards must have a flat side alongside the pedestrian path of travel.).
>
> I welcome reactions of other PASS members to this list. And, I would be glad
> to have Gene note which are already incorporated in best practices. I don't
> think any are contrary to best practices. Ken
> --- On Fri, 4/8/11, Annalyn <acourtneyb@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> From: Annalyn <acourtneyb@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [passcoalition] Re: My concerns regarding 7th Avenue/23rd street
> safety improvements
> To: passcoalition@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 2:27 PM
>
>
>
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