With Grid Control.... So I generally rather like Grid Control (so shoot me). We have had fun though with bugs in older agents trying to monitor newer databases (specifically a 10.2.0.2 agent will hit 100% cpu constantly when trying to monitor a 10.2.0.4 db and higher if the health check metric is enabled). So we've updated the agents to 10.2.0.5. Now I'm trying to add a new monitored database instance. However the add new database page displays incorrectly and cannot be used to add new database targets. I'd say this was fairly serious. This turns out to be a known bug CauseThe oms 10.2.0.2 is too old and its not able to parse the response of the 10.2.0.5 agent backward compatibility, who needs backward compatibility. Or testing for that matter. -- Niall Litchfield Oracle DBA http://www.orawin.info