my bad; pls disregard; yeah, between global hints and NO_INDEX, I should be able to do some serious Yoga SQL ;-) thx all, Cos Cosmin Ioan <cosmini@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: excellent, that's **part** of the answer I was looking for! thanks Mark/Christian. I am however looking for options to --**override** (or turn off) (some of) the existing hints (whether RULE or otherwise), and/or **complement** them with more. Is something like this possible? thx much, Cos "Mark J. Bobak" <mark.bobak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Cosmin, I think what you want are global hints: http://download-east.oracle.com/docs/cd/B10501_01/server.920/a96533/hintsref.htm#6298 Hope that helps, -Mark On Fri, 2007-02-16 at 06:02 -0800, Cosmin Ioan wrote: > hello all, > I have this Ora apps ORDER_HEADER complex view (with many subnested > levels of views) that's been hinted (RULE or otherwise), which I'm > trying to make it to behave by hinting it to use indexes on it on > outside on a query. > > select /*+ index... */ from order_header > > technically -- and I've tried it -- hinting views seems to work but > only on **simple views with no subviews**..... anything more complex, > seems to be ignored. > > Are there any forcible hints or other techniques to hint these complex > views ...other than, of course, breaking apart the views and changing > the code ;-) > > thx, > Cos