Re: data model problem

  • From: rjsearle@xxxxxxxxx
  • To: henry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 03:09:08 +1000

I think the issue may be lurking in your statement that a child may have
more than one parent.  How do you model this?  this sounds like a m-m
relationship that could be resolved with a resolution entity.  not sure if
that addresses your concern

Also, a child can be marked for deletion independantly of the parent.  Is
this true?  If so then (ignoring multiple parents for a minute)  I imagine
that if a parent is marked for deletion then the child is assumed to be
marked for delition.  (correct?)  If so then if parent  = "X" then assume
child = "X" (ie override child value) else rely on child value

This is further complicated by the many parent scenario in which case I
suspect that the business rule is a little different:
if all parents are marked for deletion then
assume that child is also marked for deletion (over-ride child attribute)
else
rely on child attribute
fi

Does this help?
Russell

On 12/7/06, Henry Poras <henry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 I've being talking with some of our developers about a possible data
inconsistency problem. It basically arises through deletion via setting a
field 'marked for deletion' instead of running the DML DELETE. Here is the
current setup.

We hava the following tables:

PARENT
parent_id (PK)
p_state       ('A' active or 'X' marked for deletion)

CHILD
child_id (PK)
c_state ('A' or 'X')
parent_id (FK)

The child can have more than one parent, but I'll skip that case for now.

If the parent is marked for deletion (parent.p_state='X') the child must
be marked for deletion (child.c_state='X'). The child can also be marked
for deletion independently from the parent. There are three ways I can think
of marking the parent's state in the child table

1. a trigger which updates child.c_state whenever parent.p_state changes
2. set child.parent_id to NULL and worry about consistency in the child
table in the next step
3. add p_state to the child table and include it in the FK.

Cases 1 & 2 both require additional code in order to keep the two tables
in sync in the event of an UPDATE to the CHILD (or PARENT) table (i.e .set
c_state='A' even though the p_state is still 'X' needs to be made
unacceptible). Method 3 avoids this problem.

Now comes the issue of having c_state consistent with p_state (or
pA_state, pB_state, …). This structure is clearly non-normalized as c_state
is functionally dependent on child.parent_id (or child.p_state), one
non-PK field dependent on another.

Just trying to think of the cleanest way to handle this (effective dates??
Yuck). I'm sure this isn't unique to us. Any ideas out there?

Thanks.

Henry

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