Re: Re: Controlling developers is like herding cats, to the point
- From: "Juan Cachito Reyes Pacheco" <jreyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:18:22 -0400
Ryan how you organize your job, what we do Very very simple.
what we had done is develop a software that create a task orders,
the advantage of them is when you say something, you know in some moment
this is
going to be done.
The second is a time management, every time you start to do a job, you
select from a lov your current job, this allow to measure the time you
invest in every task.
There are generic tasks, like phone calls, meetings, etc.
And the person who gives the task must do a brief quality control after.
weekly there are reports so you can see what a specific person did, an
analyze why he took too much time doing something,or you can get knowledge
about a problem you didn't knew.
Aditionally we created a software to create releases by object, this is if
you create a database object, you enter in the database, so to update
production database you generate the releases you did.
Obviously there are dozens of details, but this is the general idea, this is
very intesresting, because which is the other chance you have.
to Say to you partner why you take too much time?
Then he says, because there were other problems,
In that way you can't control, not only the work, else the problems there
are too, and the exactly time there are investing in them.
----- Original Message -----
From: <ryan.gaffuri@xxxxxxx>
To: <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Controlling developers is like herding cats
> It's not a 'developer' problem. It's a team and management problem. It's
also a lack of technical skill amongst Developer's and/or DBA problem.
>
>
> >
> > From: Mladen Gogala <mladen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: 2004/03/22 Mon PM 12:31:53 EST
> > To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Controlling developers is like herding cats
> >
> > Yes, that's true. One thing to remember when talking about developers is
> > that work liberates, or in German: "Arbeit Macht Frei". Good
organization
> > is the final solution of the developer problem. Of course, I'm a DBA,
> > in case anyone had any doubts.
> >
> > On 03/22/2004 12:15:33 PM, Juan Cachito Reyes Pacheco wrote:
> > > This is true ryan,
> > > But comments like "Controlling developers is like herding cats"
> > > Seems that someone have problems organizing the work,
> > > Independently of who is responsible of that, they must be solved.
> > >
> > > The point is if some one wants to talk about their problems as dba,
> > > working with other people and how to solve them.
> > > I have some experience and this could be interesting, sahre ideas
found to
> > > solve them.
> > > Now if no body have problems with that then there is no reason for
this
> > > post.
> > > :)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <ryan.gaffuri@xxxxxxx>
> > > To: <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 1:11 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Controlling developers is like herding cats
> > >
> > >
> > > > your question is vague. what do you mean by organizing developers.
its not
> > > the DBAs responsibility to do that. It's their management's
responsibility.
> > > >
> > > > what do you mean?
> > > > >
> > > > > From: "Juan Cachito Reyes Pacheco" <jreyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Date: 2004/03/22 Mon AM 10:32:06 EST
> > > > > To: <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Subject: Controlling developers is like herding cats
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know if some dba, want to talk about the way to solve
> > > > > organizing a group of developer (including times, work to be done,
> > > > > quality control, etc.)
> > > > > We have some experience, and had developed a software for internal
use,
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe someone want to talk about this, I think this is a critical
work
> > > > > for the dba.
> > > > >
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