Hi
The problem the source and target should share the same endian format. In
my case the source is big endian and the target is little endian. Therefore
the idea to convert the datafiles outside the db to the right endian
format. But I don't know whether that is possible.
Thanks and regards
Ahmed
Ls Cheng <exriscer@xxxxxxxxx> schrieb am Sa., 8. Feb. 2020, 09:52:
ops forget that, you have different endian
can you consider GoldenGate?
On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 9:51 AM Ls Cheng <exriscer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
have a look TRANSPORTABLE DATABASE (rman convert database)
https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E11882_01/backup.112/e10642/rcmxplat.htm#BRADV89988
https://docs.oracle.com/en/cloud/cloud-at-customer/exadata-cloud-at-customer/exacc/mig-transportable-database.html#GUID-4C757BA1-0C1D-498A-B5F7-7F4738243301
On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 11:35 PM Ahmed Fikri <gherrami@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I agree with this wise advise. And I'm sure we will opt for the safe
method. But my question is now only to have better understanding for how
oracle works.
I suppose now that I have only 10 GB Database it is possible to migrate
it to a different endian without using XTTS?
Best regards
Sweetser, Joe <JSweetser@xxxxxxxx> schrieb am Fr., 7. Feb. 2020, 23:21:
Being possible and being supported are 2 different things. With a
database that size, I would tend to stay in a supported universe.
-joe
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sorry to ask again to this topic: why it is not possible to take all
datafiles from the aix with big endian and convert them using external
program (maybe a c program or even a dbms_file_transf r from other oracle
instance) to the target endian and use them to create the new DB? This is
like creating a new Database using a cold backup only with the additional
step to convert the datafiles. I'm unfortunately not convinced that we
should use the TTS methode. I think that using TTS is only good if we want
to copy only a few TS of the DB. But in my case I want to copy the whole
DB.
Thanks and regards.
Am Fr., 7. Feb. 2020 um 20:41 Uhr schrieb Ahmed Fikri <
gherrami@xxxxxxxxx>:
Only some additional information about the source DB:
The db has about 4 million table/index partitions and every days will
be created about 1 Thousand Partitions (I'm not sure whether this is good
design). This could be maybe the reason why the metadata export is so
slowly.
And to be honest the DBAs have already given some mos id for the
datapump issue concerning the 11.2.0.4 version related to some x$k.. view.
(I can't remember that now and I have now no access to my work email)
Ahmed Fikri <gherrami@xxxxxxxxx> schrieb am Fr., 7. Feb. 2020, 19:26:
I write this email from an other email box(I'm in the train and the
other app doesn't work now)
Thanks a lot Lewis not only for your technical explanation but also for
reading between the lines and understanding my real problem. (Even my
broken English)
Thanks and Regards
Ahmed
Jonathan Lewis <jonathan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> schrieb am Fr., 7. Feb.
2020, 19:15:
Your approach will not work because Oracle Corp. has not implemented an
"in situ" mechanism for reading and updating a system tablespace and data
dictionary that is in the wrong endian format. If they had produced such a
mechanism they would have been shouting about it because it would make it
much easier to migrate to Exadata from any alien platform.
If your dba is an expert then they might have mentioned which version
of Oracle (11g is not a version, it's a marketing term), and which bug.
There are many known bugs relating to slow metadata export and many of
those bugs have patches. If your dba is a really expert expert they may
even be able to work out WHY the export is slow (if there isn't a patch to
fix their problem) and hack the data dictionary or supply SQL Patches to
speed it up.
Regards
Jonathan Lewis
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thanks for this information. But when I hear the only one way to do
something, I need to know why there is only one way. And why my approach
will not work.
My problem is when using XTTS I should (from my understanding) export
the metadata using datapump and the problem this takes 3 days and 4 hours.
And from my understanding why should I export the metadata. Our DBA is an
expert and he told me the export takes long time because of known bug in
11g. In the past I could copy databases using only cold backup, I could
copy the data files in parallel using several processes. I'm not a DBA (I
am from the application vendor installed on the db) but I read D. Kuhn book
from the beginning to the end. So I need to understand how to to do this
task: upgrading 11g on aix to 12g on linux in less than one weekend without
using the buggy datapump.
this should be possible or not?The db is only 16tb big.
regards
Ahmed
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AFAIK:
The only way this would work would be with transportable tablespaces;
either using the tablespaces, or RMAN (MOS 2013271.1).
There’s no “silver bullet” for this…
IMHO, your best choice is export/import with some sort of replication
solution to help minimize downtime.
Clay Jackson
Database Solutions Sales Engineer
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Hi all,
I want to test (I hope this weekend) following:
1 from 12c Db on AIX (big endian) I will create a cold backup
2 on Oracle linux (medium endian) I will create a new db using the cold
backup from point 1
3 somehow I should convert the files from point 1 in medium endian
is this possible?
I don't want to use XTTTS and exporting the metadata using data pump.
Kind Regards
Ahmed
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