RE: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?

From: <ryan.gaffuri@xxxxxxx>
To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx,"'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 9:06:00 -0500
i was referring to the it2c experience certifications. 
> 
> From: "Mercadante, Thomas F" <thomas.mercadante@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 2004/03/24 Wed AM 08:57:56 EST
> To: "'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
> 
> the OCM exam costs $2000.  plus at least on required Oracle class.
> 
> Tom Mercadante
> Oracle Certified Professional
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ryan.gaffuri@xxxxxxx [mailto:ryan.gaffuri@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:39 AM
> To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
> 
> 
> i went to the website and didn't see anything about pricing. how much does
> this stuff costs? If you look at what they are really doing it's what an HR
> department does when you go for an interview and you do not have to pay for
> it. You just sign papers giving them the right to conduct a background
> check. 
> 
> I hope this doesn't catch on or its several thousand dollars out of our
> pockets just for another piece of paper. 
> > 
> > From: "TOMPKINS, MARGARET" <MARGARET.TOMPKINS@xxxxxxxx>
> > Date: 2004/03/24 Wed AM 07:59:46 EST
> > To: <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
> > 
> > I'm familiar with the OCM.  I know of one company, ITC2, that is starting
> to do experienced based certifications and was wondering if there were
> others out there.  Maggie 
> >  
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Lex de Haan
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:19 PM
> > To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
> > 
> > 
> > I think you are referring to the OCM programme -- Oracle Certified
> Masters. that's a tough one indeed, and it involves some real problem
> scenarios to be solved, on a standalone Linux box, under quite some time
> pressure.  it is not cheap, though, and there are only a limited number of
> places where you can take those exams. search for OU and certification on
> the Oracle website, and I guess you will find more info ...
> >  
> > hope this helps, kind regards,
> > Lex.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of TOMPKINS, MARGARET
> > Sent: dinsdag 23 maart 2004 20:33
> > To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
> > 
> > 
> > I'm starting to see some experienced based certifications.  They are case
> studies reviewed by experts.  It would be more like an essay exam than
> multiple choice.  Interviews are also a part of the process.  Does anyone
> have experience with those?  Maggie
> > 
> > Respectfully, 
> > Maggie Tompkins - CAD SQA 
> > Corporate Applications Division 
> > Technology Services Organization - Kansas City 
> > Defense Finance and Accounting Service 
> > 816-926-1117 (DSN 465); Margaret.Tompkins@xxxxxxxx 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Chris Stephens
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:41 PM
> > To: 'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I wholeheartedly agree.  ...but I think it is also true that even among
> non-dba types, the legitimacy of the ocp is declining due to the fact that
> there are so many people out there that pass the tests because they have a
> 'question repository'.  I remember trying to aquire the classroom
> documentation via the internet because my company would not send me to the
> classes (nor did I want to go to the class).  In my search I came across
> several dba forums where the exact questions and answers were laid out for
> everyone to see.  ...it's crap.  ...it's also one of the (probably too few)
> times in my life where I took the moral high road and went on to the next
> google hit...often not before posting a nasty message to the forum.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Hell...I studied the documentation from the classes and investigated what
> I didn't understand via working through examples and referencing the
> official documentation.  I felt pretty good about getting the certification
> and felt I was a fully competent dba.  ...and then I joined this list and
> realized just how little I knew.  ...I shudder to think what has happened at
> companies where some newly knighted ocp lands a production dba gig with all
> the confidence that (sometimes) comes by passing the tests.    ...I struggle
> with not screwing things up as it is! :-)
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I know this has been discussed before.......but this hits home.  I am
> currently looking for a job and because I don't personally feel I'm at the
> sr. dba level and as a result don't market myself as such, my resume
> probably gets lumped in with a  bunch of people who hold certifications but
> can't do a d@mn thing!!  ...and given the current market situation, it's not
> a fun place to be!
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Woo.  That felt good.  ...back to reading oracle design.  ...thanks mogens
> for reminding me just how good this book is!
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > chris
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jared.Still@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Jared.Still@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:40 AM
> > To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > > ..if it has any value at all. 
> > 
> > I must disagree with this statement. 
> > 
> > True, it may have no value among your Oracle peers. 
> > 
> > But I doubt that anyone here is getting it to impress their peers.  We 
> > all know better.  Wrong answers, dumb questions, etc. 
> > 
> > The OCP may be the deciding factor when applying for employment. 
> > 
> > Check monster.com and dice.com.  I have seen ads on several occasions 
> > that *require* OCP. 
> > 
> > It may also be tied to an individuals employment grade and/or salary
> increase. 
> > 
> > You just need to consider another perspective on the subject. 
> > 
> > Jared 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Chris Stephens <ChrisStephens@xxxxxxxxxx> 
> > Sent by: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > 
> >  03/23/2004 05:36 AM 
> >  Please respond to oracle-l 
> > 
> >         
> >         To:        "'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
> >         cc:         
> >         Subject:        RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links
> , Docs ?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > And this is one of the reasons ocp gets to be less and less valuable....if
> > it has any value at all.
> > 
> > ...study the database...not the questions.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kommareddy, Srinivas (MED, Wissen Infotech)
> > [mailto:Srinivas.Kommareddy@xxxxxxxxxx] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:51 AM
> > To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> > "'=SMTP:oracledba@xxxxxxxxxxx'"@int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net
> > Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Do you need an easy way ? 
> > 
> > ping me personallly if you need the question bank. You willl get more than
> > 60-70% of the questions in the exam from this question bank.
> > 
> > Thanks and Regads,
> > Srinivas
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of VIVEK_SHARMA
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:04 PM
> > To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; LazyDBA.com Discussion
> > Subject: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks
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