Andre, The other thing to keep in mind, for folks that are in the beta program, is that typically Oracle has a confidentiality agreement with you in place that you won't disclose any of the good, bad, or ugly to anyone other than Oracle. How strictly they enforce this is the question, but just be careful you don't get your shop in trouble by letting loose the secret sauce while in beta. Thanks, Matt ________________________________ From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jason arneil Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 5:26 PM To: dreveewee@xxxxxxxxx Cc: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Oracle Database Firewall beta Hello, I actually have a bit of familiarity/history with the secerno product. They, like me are an Oxford, UK based company. Many (3+) years ago, we were road testing their product (mostly as a favour). Yes, it picked out random sql statements that were fired against the database, the idea being you would train it to recognise your "allowed" sql and then you would have the ability to block potentially threatening sql statements. I have to say It did not really float my boat at the time, but hopefully your mileage will vary. I'm not allowed to tell you what happened when the network tap the secerno device (and the db server) was plugged into was switched off, but you can probably guess. I Was not too amused. regards, jason. -- http://jarneil.co.uk http://blog.jarneil.co.uk On 11 November 2010 22:04, Andre van Winssen <dreveewee@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Great to hear that we have been allowed to participate in the Oracle Database Firewall beta program. Oracle bought this technology from Secerno and is now working on oracle'izing the engine, e.g. use an oracle database as the repository. If there's anything worth mentioning that is not already in the whitepapers I will write a note and post it to this forum or to my blog which I haven't started yet :- Andre Amis Services BV The Netherlands