Thank you Mark.
I was wondering if it's a good idea to partition this table just to help it
purge in a cleaner fashion. As because, if we just partition it to make our
purging better we also have to see the impact on the read queries. To have
the table partitioned with the delete key(i.e. create_timestamp), the
primary key also has to include the delete key in it or else it will not
allow it to make it a local index. And in case of global index we will have
to go through index invalidation/rebuild stuff both in case of drop or
partition exchange etc. And also the read queries now have to go through
multiple local index segments scan vs the current one segment scan.
I was trying to see/prove if it's really delayed block cleanout impacting
INSERT, So i tried to collect the stats from v$sesstat for two different
executions/data loads for close to ~10minutes duration though it's not
exact(i think i monitored the bad execution for a bit longer duration). And
as v$sesstat accumulates the statistics so I collected the delta value for
each run. As per application, the first execution was running slow and the
next one was running with better response. Attached are the stats for the
same. But surprisingly I see the delta value of statistics 'transaction
table consistent read - Undo records applied' is zero in both the cases. So
I'm wondering if there are some other phenomena(other than delayed
block cleanout) which are happening here and how can we fix? In both the
cases I see from ASH the wait event (cell single block physical read) was
highest logged against the table followed by the PK index.
On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 3:10 AM Mark W. Farnham <mwf@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
That’s right.
But what you probably **should** do is partition the table by your delete
key. And if you can change the insert into append, then you just partition
exchange out and drop the unwanted rows with nary a delete seen. That also
gives you a cheap ability to archive the swapped out partition to a table
to back up as a stand alone period of time.
Good luck. IF Lothar’s suggestion of delayed block cleanout is correct,
either of these things should fix it. IF the deleted space being used
dramatically increasing the number of blocks you need to read via an
indexed access path by fubaring the actual cluster factor, the partitioning
fixes that.
*From:* Pap [mailto:oracle.developer35@xxxxxxxxx]
*Sent:* Thursday, July 29, 2021 3:49 PM
*To:* Mark W. Farnham
*Cc:* Lothar Flatz; Oracle L
*Subject:* Re: Insert Query issue
Thanks Mark. If I get it correct , you are suggesting a method to scan
the blocks in the buffer cache which are getting deleted. But considering
we are going to hold ~3days worth of data at any point in time, I was
thinking if it's easy one to just scan or gather stats with auto sample
size after delete to get the blocks cleaned. but before that is it the same
effect i.e. delayed block cleanout which we are suffering from here? I
thought Lothar might be pointing to some other similar effect but not
exactly delayed block cleanout. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 12:41 AM Mark W. Farnham <mwf@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
If you stash (probably insert append, then after the subsequent read
truncate) into a table the rowid of all the rows you are about to delete
(using the same predicate), then do the delete, then commit, that will give
you the list of the candidate blocks. If you read from the table you
deleted from where rowid in (select rowid from the new table) from a
different node on your Exadata, you’re probably going to get that in sga.
IF not, you can pl/sql loop them one block at a time.
*From:* oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Pap
*Sent:* Thursday, July 29, 2021 2:34 PM
*To:* Lothar Flatz
*Cc:* Oracle L
*Subject:* Re: Insert Query issue
Thank you Lothar.
It appears to be something matching to delayed block cleanout effect in
which post DML sometimes we have to perform a segment scan so that the
commit scn can be updated for all the blocks and for that sometimes we have
to do it using manual stats gathering or forced segment full scan to pass
all the data blocks through buffer cache. But for that we used to see one
stats i.e. 'transaction table consistent read undo records applied' on the
SELECT query execution.
So is this tidying up of block post delete something similar as above and
we can get that verified and confirmed from some session statistics from
v$sesstat while the insert is running at run time? Also I am thinking what
can be done so as to tidying up the blocks after delete, if a force segment
full scan or stats gather post deletion can anyway help, so as to not
impact the insert performance?
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Re: Insert Query issue
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Lothar Flatz <l.flatz@xxxxxxxxxx> <l.flatz@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Hi,
there reason should be that after a delete rows are marked as technical
deleted, but the block is not yet tidied up. (I suppose that would mean
e.g. that other rows are not yet shifted for contiguous space etc.)
The tidying is done on the next insert, which therefore will be
substantially slower for once.
I heard this explanation long ago , but suppose it still holds.
My whole understanding of this is a bit vague.
I guess Jonathan could fill in some details here.
Regards
Lothar
Am 29.07.2021 um 18:10 schrieb Pap:
This legacy database is on version 11.2.0.4 of oracle Exadata.
We are having below conventional insert query introduced and its a bulk
insert happening with an arraysize of ~352 from informatica. And the
response time was ~3millisec/execution i.e. for one chunk or ~352 rows. But
we noticed suddenly the response time becomes
tripled(~8-9millisec/execution) for the same set of rows/array size insert.
No changes done to the underlying table structure.
During digging into the AWR views we found that the increase in response
time for this insert query started after we introduced the delete script to
purge data from this table. The delete is also happening in bulk fashion
with an arraysize of 100K through plsql procedure and its deleting data
with CRE_TS<sysdate-3. And it's clear from dba_hist_sqlstat that it's the
cpu_time_delta and IOWAIT_DELTA which increased thus making the
ELAPSED_TIME_delta go up by three times for the INSERT query. No such
increase in BUFFER_GETS_delta observed. But one thing we notice is that the
DELETE is not running at exactly the same time as the insert/data load
script runs. So howcome this delete is impacting the INSERT query? Is this
that as delete is making some blocks empty so that now the INSERT has to
now see through all to find the empty blocks before insert and thus
spending more time?
The table is ~215GB in size and is not partitioned holding ~1.7billion
rows. There exists only a primary key composite index on two number data
type columns. With Blevel-3 , and having index size ~65GB with ~7.3million
leaf blocks.
Below is the AWR plan for the INSERT and DELETE queries.
INSERT INTO TAB1(TAID,TID,AID,APP_NM,CRE_TS) VALUES ( :1, :2, :3,:4, :5)
-------------------------------------------------
| Id | Operation | Name | Cost |
-------------------------------------------------
| 0 | INSERT STATEMENT | | 1 |
| 1 | LOAD TABLE CONVENTIONAL | | |
-------------------------------------------------
Query Block Name / Object Alias (identified by operation id):
-------------------------------------------------------------
1 - INS$1
Note
-----
- cpu costing is off (consider enabling it)
DELETE FROM USER1.TAB1 WHERE ROWID = :1
Plan hash value: 2488984540
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Id | Operation | Name | Rows | Bytes
| Cost (%CPU)| Time |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| 0 | DELETE STATEMENT | | | |
1 (100)| |
| 1 | DELETE | TAB1 | | |
| |
| 2 | TABLE ACCESS BY USER ROWID| TAB1 | 1 | 25 |
1 (0)| 00:00:01 |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Query Block Name / Object Alias (identified by operation id):
-------------------------------------------------------------
1 - DEL$1
2 - DEL$1 / TAB1@DEL$1
Outline Data
-------------
/*+
BEGIN_OUTLINE_DATA
IGNORE_OPTIM_EMBEDDED_HINTS
OPTIMIZER_FEATURES_ENABLE('11.2.0.4')
DB_VERSION('11.2.0.4')
ALL_ROWS
OUTLINE_LEAF(@"DEL$1")
ROWID(@"DEL$1" "TAB1"@"DEL$1")
END_OUTLINE_DATA
*/
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