RE: ESRI ArcSDE application
- From: <Paula_Stankus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <fuadar@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:02:39 -0400
Still think that having ArcIMS on a separate server is best.
Also, we do have ArcSDe installed on the same server as Oracle - SDE is the
user for ArcSDE and Oracle - is the owner of the database. That is quite
manageable. However, I also have taken on the role of ArcSDe ADmin. - makes
life easier.
-----Original Message-----
From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Tom Brown
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 12:52 PM
To: fuadar@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: ESRI ArcSDE application
In response to Tom Mercadante's posting, ArcSDE can support various
configurations -
1) Installing ArcSDE on the same node as the database server,
2) Installing ArcSDE on an application server,
3) Using a form of direct connect, where the SDE process is embedded as a DLL
on the client (requires installing Oracle client on each workstation).
Each configuration provides various pros and cons.
In respect to 1) - It does not require an additional Oracle home. The software
is installed as its own system user with its own executables. Does not require
any access to the Oracle system user. All ArcSDE requires is an Oracle schema
named SDE to create and manage a data dictionary.
You can find additional information, discussion forums, white papers, etc.
http://support.esri.com/
Good luck.
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: Fuad Arshad [mailto:fuadar@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 9:39 AM
To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: ESRI ArcSDE application
paula any specific init.ora changes .
i know the dbtune defines tablespaces but other than that any thing specific to
this application.
Paula_Stankus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Right on Tom!!!!! ARcSDE by the way is ESRI's (vendor name) middle-tier that
basically does "spatial" queries on geodatabases. It is for supporting
databases that have geographic components - like points, polygons, various type
of shapes stored in your back-end RDBMS and on Oracle this is how it does it:
-You take a table with geographic coordinates - they call it a business table -
it is basically a normal table with data elements that you can directly query
(say list of streets in all of Florida) - it also has a shape_id.
-The shape-id is used to do a primary key join to a shape table called S999
that corresponds to the business table. It is basically an index table between
the "business table" and the "feature table"
-There is also a F999 table that relates to the business table which has
FID NOT NULL NUMBER(38)
NUMOFPTS NOT NULL NUMBER(38)
ENTITY NOT NULL NUMBER(38)
EMINX NOT NULL FLOAT(64)
EMINY NOT NULL FLOAT(64)
EMAXX NOT NULL FLOAT(64)
EMAXY NOT NULL FLOAT(64)
EMINZ FLOAT(64)
EMAXZ FLOAT(64)
MIN_MEASURE FLOAT(64)
MAX_MEASURE FLOAT(64)
AREA NOT NULL FLOAT(64)
LEN NOT NULL FLOAT(64)
POINTS LONG RAW
The FID above is a primary key feature id - it defines the "envelope" on which
the "shape" will be drawn, - basically the "size" or your shape.
-Then you have a number of indexes.
-When you load a "shapefile", "personal geodatabase", "coverage" into the
Oracle database using ArcSde command line or the various ESRI tools you get 4
tables for the price of 1 and associated indexes.
-These tables are then used by the ArcSDE instance and its processes on your
server to prepare a "secondary" query on the database for fast access.
-There are a number of tools like ArcCatalog (very helpful) that can help you
managing your ESRI geodatabase.
-Permissions - watch out for that. There is a good starting manual called
something like "ArcSde optimization for Oracle" - good place to start - read
the whole thing.
-----Original Message-----
From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Mercadante, Thomas F
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:47 AM
To: 'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: ESRI ArcSDE application
Never heard or ArcSDE. But I would not let them install apps on the database
server. No real reason to do so. It would force multiple Oracle homes, would
open up the door to allowing them access to the server (you *know* they will
want full access to the server), and just complicate managing the server.
You have an app server machine. Force them to use it.
just my 2 cents.
Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional
-----Original Message-----
From: Fuad Arshad [mailto:fuadar@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:42 AM
To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: ESRI ArcSDE application
We're working on an ArcSde migration from sqlserver to oracle. i believe the
version is 8.2
i was wondering if anyone had any gotchas or any information that we shoudl
know. mind you the consultant we have has no clue of either unix nor oracle.
Also the consultants are recommending installing app on the database server
instead of an app server. This is something i dont like and if anyone has done
so reason why is it necessary ?.
Thanks
Fuad Arshad
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