Someone needs to read your initial purchase contract. Did you purchase a perpetual license or was a "lease" agreement signed. That is, you may have effectively just leased the software. In our initial contract the acquiring of the software and the maintenance agreements were separate. Depending on which products you have both positions may be true. -- Mark D Powell -- Phone (313) 592-5148 ________________________________ From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of M Hand Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:01 AM To: oracle-l Subject: Another Iicensing conundrum Greetings, With the usual caveats that we are not lawyers, I would like your opinion on licensing and annual support. The question is whether annual support is required to use licensed products. The long story: My management and I believe that the perpetual database license gives one permission to use the licensed product regardless of a ongoing support contract. And the support contract gives one Metalink/SR access, permission to upgrade, and other non-license support. We expect to discontinue all database usage by the end of this year and have not renewed our support for 2009. Oracle is now coming back with the position that no support contract equals no permission to use licensed products. Any thoughts? Regards, Mike Hand