PTOSIS What I know: It was my understanding (pre-SOCAL) that the fields & photos minimum requirements are dictated/governed by the insurance company's guidelines/minimum requirements. Insurances vary a bit, but the basic formula works for all. Furthermore, that if we (photographer) does not follow the minimum requirements, the claim would be denied as "medically necessary" then becoming an out of pocket cost to the patient as a "cosmetic" surgery. More based on the functionality ( the perimetry) than the photo ( cosmetic ) Is the lid impeding the vision and to what degree? In my experience, this meant specifics about what was plotted and stimulus size, as well as this meant taking very specific instructions for the external photographs. Yes, although more and more an iPhone or smart phone photo is done and is sufficient for insurance needs. What goes on in our department: For the fields there is no standardized stimulus size, I've seen folks plot out entire/complete isopters (why you would need to know what's going in the inferior hemisphere for a ptosis/dermatochalasis patient is beyond me). I've been doing Goldmann ptosis fields since, sorry, before you were born. I'm old. It's pretty simply. Basically a 4V target and a minimal target ( depending on patient's VA ) of 4-1 suffices. Taped and untapped. You are simply documenting the difference between the two. This is not a threshold test. Multiple isopters are redundant here. As for the photos I've seen too many variations in terms of what a doctor captures if they take the photos or if someone other than a member of my diagnostics team takes the photos. Beyond that we take the photos in any room that we can, we don't have standardized location/background or any of that. When I first started (2011) here at USC, I shared my concerns with our Oculoplastics physicians and billing team. No one knew what I was talking about. I was shocked but thought heck, if this is what the prestigious Doheny Eye Institute was doing all these years well then, there must not be a problem right!? Insurance companies are not as discrimentating as we ophthalmic imagers are. A very well known, high volume plastic surgery ophthalmologist here, a professor at UCSF, does iPhone photos all of the time without issue. I haven't had a request for external photography for lid ptosis since Carter was president... Where I am now: All of our oculoplastics doctors left to join the Dohney UCLA endeavor. I have a new oculoplastics doctor who came from a place that had standards in place. She has concerns stemming from a recent RAC audit which shows a 69% denial rate secondary to missing or incomplete documentation as it pertains to oculuplastics fields and photos. My guess is that the chart documentation andor/ the perimetry is what is lacking In the past I had a team of folks whom I could count on as a resource to answer such questions. Unfortunately where I am now, we lack that sort of organization. I'm gonna have to figure this out on my own. What I need: I need to get my hands on the aforementioned guidelines & minimum requirements. What do you all do? I can provide you with the guidelines. Denice Thanks, _______________________________________________________________________________ Cullen Barnett, COT CRA OCT-C CDOS Clinic Supervisor, Diagnostic Services Department of Ophthalmology Keck Medical Center of USC University of Southern California 1450 San Pablo Street Los Angeles, California 90033 Office 323-865-6814 Fax 323-865-9248 cullen.barnett@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cullen.barnett@xxxxxxxxxxx> This email message is confidential, intended only for the recipient(s) named above and may contain information that is privileged, exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, do not disclose or disseminate this message to anyone except the intended recipient. If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete all copies of this message.