I will be out of the office until Monday August 11, 2014. I will reply to your email when I return. If you need immediate assistance please call the Department of Ophthalmology at 315-464-5253. >>> FreeLists Mailing List Manager <ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 08/02/14 01:08 >>> optimal Digest Fri, 01 Aug 2014 Volume: 05 Issue: 113 In This Issue: [optimal] Re: optimal Digest V5 #112 [optimal] Re: optimal Digest V5 #112 [optimal] From Denice Barsness reactions to fluorescein [optimal] Re: cleaning tips [optimal] Re: cleaning tips [optimal] Re: cleaning tips [optimal] Re: cleaning tips ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 09:20:20 +0100 From: Alf <alfwhyte@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [optimal] Re: optimal Digest V5 #112 Butterfly? Really? Is that because of price? We always use a cannula. If something goes wrong we need a patent IV entry. A butterfly just doesn't cut it. We haven't had an extravasion in years using cannulas with a saline check before the push. No matter how bad the doc/patient is veinwise. (is that a word?). BTW, half our docs go immediately for the back of the hand. I don't like it, the patients don't like it. I'd prefer antecubital too. Sometimes I have to hold the patient's hand up, above heart level, to get the "rush" of fluorescein entry. Alf Whyte, Cork, Ireland. > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:36:17 -0400 > Subject: [optimal] Re: Fluorescein > From: Stuart Alfred<stuart.alfred@xxxxxxxxx> > > We have gone to using half a dose per vial here on the majority of studies. > Specifically, I use the Spectralis, 25% AK-FLUOR, 23 or 25 gauge > butterfly, 30 degree objective, attempt to use antecubital vein at all > times. My observation over the last . . . two weeks of using half dose is > 1) full dose needed with 55 degree objective or patients over 200lbs, 2) > 1cc/mL dye dissipates much more rapidly than 2 cc, so late phase images at > 3:30-4 minutes. If patient is possible CSR I use full dose for lates at 8 > or 10 mins. > My opinion: Annoying having to change an established, proven combination > makes for less than optimal diagnostics! The nuances of our angiography on > such a wide range of patients and pathologies screams 'little room for > variability'. Changing this recipe makes me anxious. > Respectfully, > Stuart > > > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 09:08:23 -0400 Subject: [optimal] Re: optimal Digest V5 #112 From: Stuart Alfred <stuart.alfred@xxxxxxxxx> Hi Alf, At our practice I do all my own injections. I certainly understand your thinking regarding the cannula and respect it. Cost wasn't/isn't our consideration. I think I will look into your suggestion and re evaluate. We are a satellite office -in the suburbs etc.- so only rarely do we have severely sick patients. Are you hospital connected? I haven't had an adverse reaction aside from slight hives in years. We of course maintain an emergency kit and have IED. Our physicians are quick to arrive when need would arise. As id do all my own injections I maintain an above average touch when it comes to avoiding extravasation. On average I study 7-12 FAs a day with 20 OCTs. If I relied on the docs to perform my IVs I would go crazy. On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Alf <alfwhyte@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Butterfly? Really? Is that because of price? > > We always use a cannula. If something goes wrong we need a patent IV > entry. A butterfly just doesn't cut it. We haven't had an extravasion in > years using cannulas with a saline check before the push. No matter how bad > the doc/patient is veinwise. (is that a word?). BTW, half our docs go > immediately for the back of the hand. I don't like it, the patients don't > like it. I'd prefer antecubital too. Sometimes I have to hold the patient's > hand up, above heart level, to get the "rush" of fluorescein entry. > > Alf Whyte, Cork, Ireland. > > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:36:17 -0400 >> Subject: [optimal] Re: Fluorescein >> From: Stuart Alfred<stuart.alfred@xxxxxxxxx> >> >> We have gone to using half a dose per vial here on the majority of >> studies. >> Specifically, I use the Spectralis, 25% AK-FLUOR, 23 or 25 gauge >> butterfly, 30 degree objective, attempt to use antecubital vein at all >> times. My observation over the last . . . two weeks of using half dose >> is >> 1) full dose needed with 55 degree objective or patients over 200lbs, 2) >> 1cc/mL dye dissipates much more rapidly than 2 cc, so late phase images >> at >> 3:30-4 minutes. If patient is possible CSR I use full dose for lates at 8 >> or 10 mins. >> My opinion: Annoying having to change an established, proven combination >> makes for less than optimal diagnostics! The nuances of our angiography >> on >> such a wide range of patients and pathologies screams 'little room for >> variability'. Changing this recipe makes me anxious. >> Respectfully, >> Stuart >> >> >> > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > -- Stuart Alfred, CRA, OCT-*C* * cell 317 517-9455 528 N. Bauman St. Indianapolis, IN 46214-3618 * ------------------------------ From: CPMC Ophthalmic Diagnostic Center <cpmceyelab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 08:44:53 -0700 Subject: [optimal] From Denice Barsness reactions to fluorescein Have been using 25% with straight 25g needle for years No problems, great FA's Spectralis exceedingly sensitive, often entire 2.5cc's not necessary Our hospital PREFERS we not have crash kit= we have a code blue team on our floor Haven't had even emesis for years Lucky me Someday, someone will do a truly retrospective/prospective study to answer the question at last Why the variance in experiences, reactions The last one done as old as my gray hair- even then, it was a very small sampling done under less than scientific criteria Denice Barsness, CRA, COMT, ROUB, CDOS, FOPS Ophthalmic Diagnostic Center CPMC Department of Ophthalmology 2100 Webster Street Suite 212 San Francisco CA 94115 (415) 600-3937 FAX (415) 600-6563 From: optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stuart Alfred Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 06:08 AM To: optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [optimal] Re: optimal Digest V5 #112 Hi Alf, At our practice I do all my own injections. I certainly understand your thinking regarding the cannula and respect it. Cost wasn't/isn't our consideration. I think I will look into your suggestion and re evaluate. We are a satellite office -in the suburbs etc.- so only rarely do we have severely sick patients. Are you hospital connected? I haven't had an adverse reaction aside from slight hives in years. We of course maintain an emergency kit and have IED. Our physicians are quick to arrive when need would arise. As id do all my own injections I maintain an above average touch when it comes to avoiding extravasation. On average I study 7-12 FAs a day with 20 OCTs. If I relied on the docs to perform my IVs I would go crazy. On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Alf <alfwhyte@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alfwhyte@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: Butterfly? Really? Is that because of price? We always use a cannula. If something goes wrong we need a patent IV entry. A butterfly just doesn't cut it. We haven't had an extravasion in years using cannulas with a saline check before the push. No matter how bad the doc/patient is veinwise. (is that a word?). BTW, half our docs go immediately for the back of the hand. I don't like it, the patients don't like it. I'd prefer antecubital too. Sometimes I have to hold the patient's hand up, above heart level, to get the "rush" of fluorescein entry. Alf Whyte, Cork, Ireland. Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:36:17 -0400 Subject: [optimal] Re: Fluorescein From: Stuart Alfred<stuart.alfred@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stuart.alfred@xxxxxxxxx>> We have gone to using half a dose per vial here on the majority of studies. Specifically, I use the Spectralis, 25% AK-FLUOR, 23 or 25 gauge butterfly, 30 degree objective, attempt to use antecubital vein at all times. My observation over the last . . . two weeks of using half dose is 1) full dose needed with 55 degree objective or patients over 200lbs, 2) 1cc/mL dye dissipates much more rapidly than 2 cc, so late phase images at 3:30-4 minutes. If patient is possible CSR I use full dose for lates at 8 or 10 mins. My opinion: Annoying having to change an established, proven combination makes for less than optimal diagnostics! The nuances of our angiography on such a wide range of patients and pathologies screams 'little room for variability'. Changing this recipe makes me anxious. Respectfully, Stuart --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- Stuart Alfred, CRA, OCT-*C* * cell 317 517-9455 528 N. Bauman St. Indianapolis, IN 46214-3618 * ------------------------------ From: "Steffens, Timothy" <tjsteffe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [optimal] Re: cleaning tips Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 19:48:02 +0000 Treat it with hair spray. From: Darrin Landry <darrin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:darrin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Reply-To: "optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>" <optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:06:00 -0400 To: "optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>" <optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Subject: [optimal] cleaning tips So here's a thread that hasn't been started in a while. What do you use to clean fluorescein and/or ICG out of clothing? I was so excited to have ICG again today that I made a made a mess. I've used a combination of detergent/baking soda/goo-gone/cold water in the past, with mixed results depending on the fabric. What have you tried, or what works for you? [cid:D8D17C63-FF46-4A4B-8A0D-5C7A06CB84B4@maine.rr.com] Cheers, Darrin Darrin Landry, CRA. OCT-C Ophthalmic Consultant Bryson Taylor Inc. www.brysontaylorpublishing.com<http://www.brysontaylorpublishing.com> ********************************************************** Electronic Mail is not secure, may not be read every day, and should not be used for urgent or sensitive issues ------------------------------ From: "Sanchez, Andres" <sancheza6@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [optimal] Re: cleaning tips Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 21:30:04 +0000 There you go. photoshop did the trick!! Andy Sanchez, COA Ophthalmic Photographer 210-358-7631 Eye Clinic-TDI 701 S. Zarzamora San Antonio, TX 78207 Sancheza6@xxxxxxxxxxx From: optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steffens, Timothy Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 2:48 PM To: optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [optimal] Re: cleaning tips Treat it with hair spray. From: Darrin Landry <darrin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:darrin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Reply-To: "optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>" <optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:06:00 -0400 To: "optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>" <optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Subject: [optimal] cleaning tips So here's a thread that hasn't been started in a while. What do you use to clean fluorescein and/or ICG out of clothing? I was so excited to have ICG again today that I made a made a mess. I've used a combination of detergent/baking soda/goo-gone/cold water in the past, with mixed results depending on the fabric. What have you tried, or what works for you? Cheers, Darrin Darrin Landry, CRA. OCT-C Ophthalmic Consultant Bryson Taylor Inc. www.brysontaylorpublishing.com<http://www.brysontaylorpublishing.com> ********************************************************** Electronic Mail is not secure, may not be read every day, and should not be used for urgent or sensitive issues ------------------------------ Subject: [optimal] Re: cleaning tips From: Michael Turano <turano@xxxxxxxxx> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 18:14:08 -0400 Best post on optimal in months. Michael Turano C 856.340.5675 C 917.826.9506 F 917.591.1841 Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2014, at 5:30 PM, "Sanchez, Andres" <sancheza6@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: There you go. photoshop did the trick!! Andy Sanchez, COA Ophthalmic Photographer 210-358-7631 Eye Clinic-TDI 701 S. Zarzamora San Antonio, TX 78207 Sancheza6@xxxxxxxxxxx From: optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steffens, Timothy Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 2:48 PM To: optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [optimal] Re: cleaning tips Treat it with hair spray. From: Darrin Landry <darrin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: "optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:06:00 -0400 To: "optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [optimal] cleaning tips So here's a thread that hasn't been started in a while. What do you use to clean fluorescein and/or ICG out of clothing? I was so excited to have ICG again today that I made a made a mess. I've used a combination of detergent/baking soda/goo-gone/cold water in the past, with mixed results depending on the fabric. What have you tried, or what works for you? Cheers, Darrin Darrin Landry, CRA. 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