[optimal] Re: optimal Digest V5 #113 (Away Message)

  • From: "Mindy Cole" <ColeM@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 01:09:09 -0400

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optimal Digest  Fri, 01 Aug 2014        Volume: 05  Issue: 113

In This Issue:
                [optimal] Re: optimal Digest V5 #112
                [optimal] Re: optimal Digest V5 #112
                [optimal] From Denice Barsness reactions to fluorescein
                [optimal] Re: cleaning tips
                [optimal] Re: cleaning tips
                [optimal] Re: cleaning tips
                [optimal] Re: cleaning tips

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 09:20:20 +0100
From: Alf <alfwhyte@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [optimal] Re: optimal Digest V5 #112

Butterfly? Really? Is that because of price?

We always use a cannula. If something goes wrong we need a patent IV
entry. A butterfly just doesn't cut it. We haven't had an extravasion in
years using cannulas with a saline check before the push. No matter how
bad the doc/patient is veinwise. (is that a word?). BTW, half our docs
go immediately for the back of the hand. I don't like it, the patients
don't like it. I'd prefer antecubital too. Sometimes I have to hold the
patient's hand up, above heart level, to get the "rush" of fluorescein
entry.

Alf Whyte, Cork, Ireland.

> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:36:17 -0400
> Subject: [optimal] Re: Fluorescein
> From: Stuart Alfred<stuart.alfred@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> We have gone to using half a dose per vial here on the majority of studies.
>   Specifically, I use the Spectralis, 25% AK-FLUOR, 23 or 25 gauge
> butterfly, 30 degree objective, attempt to use antecubital vein at all
> times.  My observation over the last  . . . two weeks of using half dose is
> 1) full dose needed with 55 degree objective or patients over 200lbs, 2)
>   1cc/mL dye dissipates much more rapidly than 2 cc, so late phase images at
> 3:30-4 minutes.  If patient is possible CSR I use full dose for lates at 8
> or 10 mins.
> My opinion: Annoying having to change an established, proven combination
> makes for less than optimal diagnostics!  The nuances of our angiography on
> such a wide range of patients and pathologies screams 'little room for
> variability'.  Changing this recipe makes me anxious.
> Respectfully,
> Stuart
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 09:08:23 -0400
Subject: [optimal] Re: optimal Digest V5 #112
From: Stuart Alfred <stuart.alfred@xxxxxxxxx>

Hi Alf,
At our practice I do all my own injections.  I certainly understand your
thinking regarding the cannula and respect it.  Cost wasn't/isn't our
consideration.  I think I will look into your suggestion and re evaluate.
 We are a satellite office -in the suburbs etc.- so only rarely do we have
severely sick patients.  Are you hospital connected? I haven't had an
adverse reaction aside from slight hives in years. We of course maintain an
emergency kit and have IED.  Our physicians are quick to arrive when need
would arise.  As id do all my own injections I maintain an above average
touch when it comes to avoiding extravasation.  On average I study 7-12 FAs
a day with 20 OCTs.  If I relied on the docs to perform my IVs I would go
crazy.


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Alf <alfwhyte@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Butterfly? Really? Is that because of price?
>
> We always use a cannula. If something goes wrong we need a patent IV
> entry. A butterfly just doesn't cut it. We haven't had an extravasion in
> years using cannulas with a saline check before the push. No matter how bad
> the doc/patient is veinwise. (is that a word?). BTW, half our docs go
> immediately for the back of the hand. I don't like it, the patients don't
> like it. I'd prefer antecubital too. Sometimes I have to hold the patient's
> hand up, above heart level, to get the "rush" of fluorescein entry.
>
> Alf Whyte, Cork, Ireland.
>
>  Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:36:17 -0400
>> Subject: [optimal] Re: Fluorescein
>> From: Stuart Alfred<stuart.alfred@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> We have gone to using half a dose per vial here on the majority of
>> studies.
>>   Specifically, I use the Spectralis, 25% AK-FLUOR, 23 or 25 gauge
>> butterfly, 30 degree objective, attempt to use antecubital vein at all
>> times.  My observation over the last  . . . two weeks of using half dose
>> is
>> 1) full dose needed with 55 degree objective or patients over 200lbs, 2)
>>   1cc/mL dye dissipates much more rapidly than 2 cc, so late phase images
>> at
>> 3:30-4 minutes.  If patient is possible CSR I use full dose for lates at 8
>> or 10 mins.
>> My opinion: Annoying having to change an established, proven combination
>> makes for less than optimal diagnostics!  The nuances of our angiography
>> on
>> such a wide range of patients and pathologies screams 'little room for
>> variability'.  Changing this recipe makes me anxious.
>> Respectfully,
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>>
>
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From: CPMC Ophthalmic Diagnostic Center <cpmceyelab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 08:44:53 -0700
Subject: [optimal] From Denice Barsness reactions to fluorescein

Have been using 25% with straight 25g needle for years
No problems, great FA's
Spectralis exceedingly sensitive, often entire 2.5cc's not necessary
Our hospital PREFERS we not have crash kit= we have a code blue team on our 
floor
Haven't had even emesis for years
Lucky me
Someday, someone will do a truly retrospective/prospective study to answer the 
question at last
Why the variance in experiences, reactions

The last one done as old as my gray hair- even then, it was a very small 
sampling done under less than scientific criteria

Denice Barsness, CRA, COMT, ROUB, CDOS, FOPS
Ophthalmic Diagnostic Center
CPMC Department of Ophthalmology
2100 Webster Street Suite 212
San Francisco CA 94115
(415) 600-3937   FAX (415) 600-6563

From: optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Stuart Alfred
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 06:08 AM
To: optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optimal] Re: optimal Digest V5 #112

Hi Alf,
At our practice I do all my own injections.  I certainly understand your 
thinking regarding the cannula and respect it.  Cost wasn't/isn't our 
consideration.  I think I will look into your suggestion and re evaluate.

 We are a satellite office -in the suburbs etc.- so only rarely do we have 
severely sick patients.  Are you hospital connected? I haven't had an adverse 
reaction aside from slight hives in years. We of course maintain an emergency 
kit and have IED.  Our physicians are quick to arrive when need would arise.  
As id do all my own injections I maintain an above average touch when it comes 
to avoiding extravasation.  On average I study 7-12 FAs a day with 20 OCTs.  If 
I relied on the docs to perform my IVs I would go crazy.

On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Alf 
<alfwhyte@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alfwhyte@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Butterfly? Really? Is that because of price?

We always use a cannula. If something goes wrong we need a patent IV entry. A 
butterfly just doesn't cut it. We haven't had an extravasion in years using 
cannulas with a saline check before the push. No matter how bad the doc/patient 
is veinwise. (is that a word?). BTW, half our docs go immediately for the back 
of the hand. I don't like it, the patients don't like it. I'd prefer 
antecubital too. Sometimes I have to hold the patient's hand up, above heart 
level, to get the "rush" of fluorescein entry.

Alf Whyte, Cork, Ireland.
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:36:17 -0400
Subject: [optimal] Re: Fluorescein
From: Stuart Alfred<stuart.alfred@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stuart.alfred@xxxxxxxxx>>

We have gone to using half a dose per vial here on the majority of studies.
  Specifically, I use the Spectralis, 25% AK-FLUOR, 23 or 25 gauge
butterfly, 30 degree objective, attempt to use antecubital vein at all
times.  My observation over the last  . . . two weeks of using half dose is
1) full dose needed with 55 degree objective or patients over 200lbs, 2)
  1cc/mL dye dissipates much more rapidly than 2 cc, so late phase images at
3:30-4 minutes.  If patient is possible CSR I use full dose for lates at 8
or 10 mins.
My opinion: Annoying having to change an established, proven combination
makes for less than optimal diagnostics!  The nuances of our angiography on
such a wide range of patients and pathologies screams 'little room for
variability'.  Changing this recipe makes me anxious.
Respectfully,
Stuart



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From: "Steffens, Timothy" <tjsteffe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [optimal] Re: cleaning tips
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 19:48:02 +0000

Treat it with hair spray.
From: Darrin Landry <darrin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:darrin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Reply-To: "optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>" 
<optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:06:00 -0400
To: "optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>" 
<optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: [optimal] cleaning tips

So here's a thread that hasn't been started in a while.

What do you use to clean fluorescein and/or ICG out of clothing? I was so 
excited to have ICG again today that I made a made a mess.
I've used a combination of detergent/baking soda/goo-gone/cold water in the 
past, with mixed results depending on the fabric.
What have you tried, or what works for you?

[cid:D8D17C63-FF46-4A4B-8A0D-5C7A06CB84B4@maine.rr.com]

Cheers,
Darrin


Darrin Landry, CRA. OCT-C
Ophthalmic Consultant
Bryson Taylor Inc.
www.brysontaylorpublishing.com<http://www.brysontaylorpublishing.com>



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From: "Sanchez, Andres" <sancheza6@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [optimal] Re: cleaning tips
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 21:30:04 +0000

There you go.  photoshop did the trick!!
Andy Sanchez, COA
Ophthalmic Photographer
210-358-7631
Eye Clinic-TDI
701 S. Zarzamora
San Antonio, TX 78207
Sancheza6@xxxxxxxxxxx

From: optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Steffens, Timothy
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 2:48 PM
To: optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optimal] Re: cleaning tips

Treat it with hair spray.

From: Darrin Landry <darrin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:darrin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Reply-To: "optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>" 
<optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:06:00 -0400
To: "optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>" 
<optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: [optimal] cleaning tips

So here's a thread that hasn't been started in a while.

What do you use to clean fluorescein and/or ICG out of clothing? I was so 
excited to have ICG again today that I made a made a mess.
I've used a combination of detergent/baking soda/goo-gone/cold water in the 
past, with mixed results depending on the fabric.
What have you tried, or what works for you?


Cheers,
Darrin


Darrin Landry, CRA. OCT-C
Ophthalmic Consultant
Bryson Taylor Inc.
www.brysontaylorpublishing.com<http://www.brysontaylorpublishing.com>




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Subject: [optimal] Re: cleaning tips
From: Michael Turano <turano@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 18:14:08 -0400

Best post on optimal in months.
Michael Turano

C 856.340.5675
C 917.826.9506
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On Aug 1, 2014, at 5:30 PM, "Sanchez, Andres" <sancheza6@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

There you go.  photoshop did the trick!!
 
Andy Sanchez, COA
Ophthalmic Photographer
210-358-7631
Eye Clinic-TDI
701 S. Zarzamora
San Antonio, TX 78207
Sancheza6@xxxxxxxxxxx
 
From: optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:optimal-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Steffens, Timothy
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 2:48 PM
To: optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [optimal] Re: cleaning tips
 
Treat it with hair spray.
 
From: Darrin Landry <darrin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: "optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:06:00 -0400
To: "optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <optimal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [optimal] cleaning tips
 
So here's a thread that hasn't been started in a while.
 
What do you use to clean fluorescein and/or ICG out of clothing? I was so 
excited to have ICG again today that I made a made a mess.
I've used a combination of detergent/baking soda/goo-gone/cold water in the 
past, with mixed results depending on the fabric.
What have you tried, or what works for you?
 
 
Cheers,
Darrin
 
 
Darrin Landry, CRA. OCT-C
Ophthalmic Consultant
Bryson Taylor Inc.
www.brysontaylorpublishing.com
 
 
 
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From: Sandee McLaughlin <SMcLaughlin@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [optimal] Re: cleaning tips
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 22:37:18 +0000

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