Bert, IMO, yours is a very interesting and useful analysis. However, my concern in this post was an assigned UHF DTV channels ability to replicate the stations analog coverage. It is necessary, in this instance, to also compare UHF verses low band VHF propagation. Low band VHF's generally more robust signal and it's ability to provide some amount of over the horizon coverage, can't be replicated by UHF signals. Therefore, UHF Translators / repeaters are needed to extend the new UHF DTV coverage area to service the LB VHF stations viewers. Also, thanks for the FCC document re: Replacement DTV translator stations. I assume that it deals with this issue and now that I'm home again I'll read it. Dale -----Original Message----- From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Manfredi, Albert E Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:14 AM To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [opendtv] VHF vs UHF coverage Dale Kelly wrote: > Are you aware that the FCC originally calculated that many > digital UHF stations, replacing many VHFs, would require up > to 5MW ERP to replicate current coverage? > > After we convinced them of the physical and economic > impractibility of constructing and operating such a high > powered facility, they reduced the max UHF DTV power to the > current 1MW level. To guesstimate what my reception expectations of the VHF stations should be, when they move back to high VHF on 12 June, I used the Hata model as described here: http://w3.antd.nist.gov/wctg/manet/calcmodels_r1.pdf in the first three pages, corrected for long distances as described in page 3, and I'm using the suburban parameters. The max ERP for UHF digital transmissions is 1 MW. It seems to me that the expected coverage of such a station would be similar to that of a 5 MW analog UHF, the digital being 7 dB less power than the analog. So then my question was, what power levels would I need from a digital high VHF station, to match the reach of that 1 MW UHF station? For my specific setup? The 1 MW digital UHF is a known quantity for me, given that a few stations in Baltimore are at or close to that level. Using 80 Km (50 mi) range, 300 meter transmit antenna height, 1 meter receive antenna height, 195 MHz for high VHF, and 615 MHz for UHF, path attenuation for the UHF signal is 159 dB for VHF and 173 dB for UHF. The UHF sees 14 dB greater path loss than the VHF. So in this configuration, the VHF station would need to transmit with ERP of 39.8 KW to match the coverage of the UHF 1 MW signal. That is higher than what any VHF station in this area is planning to use. Not by much, in two of four cases, but it's still higher. So, I conclude that digital VHF coverage *could* be similar to that of 5 MW analog UHF stations. At least, with low receive antenna height. But not much better. Then I tried the same computation with a 10 meter receive antenna height, and increased the range to 100 Km (60 mi). Now the path attenuation for VHF is 148 dB, and 156 for VHF, i.e. only 8 dB less attenuation for VHF. So to match the UHF 1 MW signal in terms of reception robustness, the VHF would need to be 158 KW ERP! Much higher than anyone is planning around these parts. So again, it seems to me that with the limited power being planned for digital VHF stations, we're not going to see any increase in coverage area compared with UHF at the planned ERP levels for many UHF digital stations. Perhaps some terrain oddities would give VHF a bigger advantage than what this Hata model predicts. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.