S.J. Birkill's following message is very much worth reading. I'm reposting since the subject line used might cause one to pass it over. ----- Original Message ----- From: "S J Birkill" <sjb@xxxxxxxxx> To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:54 AM Subject: [opendtv] Re: opendtv Digest V2 #24 >> From: "Dale Kelly" <dalekelly@xxxxxxxxxxx> >> Subject: [opendtv] Re: Latest S/N test >> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:13:13 -0800 >> > <...> >> >> Zarlink recently announced design of a single ended tuner >> for Thompson that they say exceeds the ATSC's A74 >> recommendation. That is nothing exceptional given that it >> is a marginal spec. I was advised last year that Zarlink, RMT, >> and others, supply triple conversion receivers, with significantly >> better specs than A74, to the European COFDM markets, >> where they are serious about OTA performance. >> See these web page. >> http://products.zarlink.com/product_portlets/thomson_pnp.htm >> http://www.rwt.com.uk >> >> Tthe Zarlink spec sheet doesn't give one a clue >> about how their single conversion image rejection scheme >> functions but I did note that the Noise Figure is a paltry 13db. >> As I recall, the DVB-T spec. is 8db or less and a typical >> DVB receiver is in the 5db range. > > RWT (correctly rwt.co.uk) designed the SetPal tuner which helped enable > the > UK DTT 'Freeview' market in 2002 with the first < GBP 100 STBs. SetPal-1 > used double conversion with Zarlink tuner chips, autonomous wide band RF > AGC derived after a discrete LNA (overall NF 4dB) and a broad > alignment-free tracking filter to reduce mixer IM loading, a 1220MHz 1st > IF > with AGC and a 36MHz final IF with AGC. Overall phase noise was in fact > lower than with single-conversion designs because the 1270-2080 MHz > upconversion VCO PLL could use a wide-band loop with 4MHz comparison > frequency (for an 8MHz channel matrix). The downconverter needed to tune > only a handful of 41.667 kHz steps, so a narrow loop could be used here. > > The later SetPal-2 uses the Zarlink image-rejection MOPLL in a > single-conversion design with wide band RF AGC and alignment-free tracking > filter. As will all consumer MOPLL devices an LNA is required for the > required NF. SetPal-2 features in several current brands of STB, iDVCR, > iDTV and DVR, including products which combine DAB radio. > > Conventional DTT tuners (i.e all the others, I believe) in the UK use > single conversion with narrow tracking filters, derived from standard > analog tradition, but with improved-phase-noise converter chips (Philips, > Infineon) for digital. These, as with all consumer analog TV tuners > worldwide, incorporate a simple tracking filter of nominally 12 to 15 MHz > bandwidth, which is production-line tuned by bending coils or 'goalpost' > wire loops until a response template is met. Inevitably tracking is > sub-optimal, and in-channel slope, as well as NF, can be quite high, which > limits ACI protection as well as sensitivity. > > SJB > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > FreeLists.org > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > unsubscribe in the subject line. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.