I thought this was very interesting indeed. The Channel Master 4228 is a dual array of quad stacked UHF dipoles, very similar to the Antennas Direct DB8, and somewhat similar to my combined dual DB4 arrays, which also feed a broad band antenna amp. Although my arrays are not aimed in the same direction. http://www.channelmaster.com/product-overview.php?proID=34&catID=33 The trick in these UHF arrays, apparently, is that the combiner also passes through the VHF frequencies, and that the downlead is used in part for VHF reception. Perhaps the aperture created by the dual UHF arrays also helps, for VHF? This relates to James' post a few days ago, concerning how adequate these arrays are for VHF. According to the post below, it did better than a VHF log periodic? (??) Bert --------------------------- http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/talkback/279344-ABC_FCC_Working _on_DTV_Reception_Issues-1.php Submitted by: Karl Zuk karlzuk@xxxxxxxxxxx 2009-15-6 06:46:44 Location: NYC Occupation: Broadcast Engineer I live 50 miles north of New York City. During the transition period I could easily resolve all the major NYC TVs using a simple indoor two-bay bow-tie UHF antenna. When Channels 7, 11 and 13 moved off their temporary UHF assignments and reverted to their previously analog high VHF slots, I lost all three. No rabbit ears or other indoor antenna would suffice. Even a large VHF log periodic array, which produced full quieting pictures in NTSC, could not resolve the new digital transmissions. My wide-band Channel Master 4228 8-bay bow tie array with pre-amp is the only antenna which will bring in the new digital 7, 11 and 13. My guess is that I am suffering from poor carrier-to-noise levels combined with weak signal strength due to lower transmitter power. All-UHF operation worked so well. Why was the switch back to VHF necessary? Did everyone think the VHF spectrum would prove so much more robust? Can we convince you to revert back to UHF? Karl Zuk N2KZ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.