Hi, Donald Koeleman wrote: > At wich of the four business divisions :-) ? Dunno. "Home" probably. San Jose CA. And it's not funny. > And what do you guys think of this dscaler project, Watching it. Interesting work of amateurs, not necessarily with a negative meaning to the word amateurs. After all, a "pro" is mostly still an amateur, but with a paycheck... ;-) > and how do you score on this one: http://www.dscaler.com/dtv-vs-windvd/Passion_Of_Mind_WinDVD_Showdown.htm ? > I can tell you that after scrolling up and down, between the images > I did rather poorly;-). I saved the 2 images, and the file names were a bit tell-tale. Then I toggled between them in ACDSee, and the most obvious difference is in the picture width ! Very strange, how can two renderers extract a 720x480 image from the same DVD, with a different picture width ? At least one of them must have been scaling, without being asked. We see that all too often, that video players on a PC apply scaling multiple times. Must have something to do with square and non-square pixels. I notice with delight that on this year's WinHec it has been mentioned that in Longhorn they will delete a lot of these unnecessary cascaded operations: scaling, color space conversion, amplitude stretching (16..235 to 0..255), all for a better TV-out quality. But what other difference am I supposed to see ? There doesn't seem to be much of challenging motion that would reveal the quality of de-interlacers or of frame-rate up-converters. There's enough difference in the textures that at least one of these pictures might look "funny" when it moves. Who knows, compared to a plain DVD player connected to an interlaced display both of these computer players might perform very badly, only in different ways. On the basis of this data I can not tell. I'm off for a long weekend now, so please don't expect any more messages from me until next Monday. Greetings, -- Jeroen +-------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ | From: Jeroen H. Stessen | E-mail: Jeroen.Stessen@xxxxxxxxxxx | | Building: SFJ-5.22 Eindhoven | Deptmt.: Philips Applied Technologies | | Phone: ++31.40.2732739 | Visiting & mail address: Glaslaan 2 | | Mobile: ++31.6.44680021 | NL 5616 LW Eindhoven, the Netherlands | | Pager: ++31.6.65133818 | Website: http://www.apptech.philips.com/ | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.