Hi Stephanie and all: Here are two links to what I consider to be excellent pieces on the two species... http://tgreybirds.com/Pages/LongbilledDowitcherp.html http://tgreybirds.com/Pages/ShortbilledDowitcherp.html The age and tertials are the key to making these Short-billed. For the rest of OBOL land, the reason the under wing came up was because I noticed on her videos some of the Short-billed were flapping their wings. I have been working on iding dowitchers in flight. Apparently the lesser under wing coverts are white in Long-billed and barred in Short-billed and it is a diagnostic feature.. I am not sure if this is true on juveniles as a diagnostic feature. I can see the white as a flash when a group of Long-bills fly by..on certain occasions...I have also been able to pull a Short-bill out of a flying flock by not seeing the white. vice versa on the coast.......but I have a lot of practicing to do on this. In any case, I rarely see videos of dowitchers flapping their wings , thus my request to see if juveniles have bars on the lessers...They do not seem to be as patterned as adults..any one else know anything on this feature on juveniles? Bob Archer On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Stephanie Hazen <stephaniehazen17@xxxxxxxxx > wrote: > http://www.surfbirds.com/ID%20Articles/dowitchers1005/dowitchers.html > > Good article, long read, on identifying long billed vs short billed > dowitchers. I still think we have long billed. Wide black bands in tail > feathers for one. > > Stephanie > > OBOL archives: www.freelists.org/archive/obol > Manage your account or unsubscribe: //www.freelists.org/list/obol > Contact moderators: obol-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >