I am baffled by the critique forwarded to the list by our moderator. Firstly, I have always been under the impression that everyone subscribing to Obol was a recreational birder. There are people on the list that earn money as biologists, guides, administrators , etc and could be deemed "professional" birders, but their participation here strikes me as fully recreational. I have also found the posts to be overwhelmingly polite. I guess it's a question of expectations. Internett fora are famous for their nastiness and uncivility. This is the only one I really monitor, in large part because of its civil atmosphere. As a young birder I was first too young to have a driver's license, then too poor to operate a motor vehicle when I got one. A great deal of my birding was in groups because that was my ride. These trips were invariably as much social as ornithological, often predominately social. The demands of higher education, raising a family, and developing a business resulted in a quarter century hiatus for my birding. I remember how intoxicating solo birding was when I resumed about seven years ago. I did a great deal of it, eventually reaching satiety guess. The past year I have pretty much only birded when it was group oriented. The social aspect has been quite rewarding and I spend a lot of time thinking about how these various group activities might be fine-tuned, expanded, and so forth. I haven't experienced a significant difference between my flesh and blood birding and the on-line version. I was a bit intimidated about posting initially and continue to hesitate from time to time. Many people will probably read this statement with scepticism as I have aggressively sought the limelight from nursery school up to the present. I think that says a lot about human nature and nothing about Obol. There have been times when I finished writing a post and was sure it was inappropriate, seriously considered throwing it away. Then I'd post it anyway. These angst-fraught efforts have invariably received strong, intensely positive private responses. Every time. It's been a valuable life lesson. For several years I took Japanese at Portland State University. A high tech firm had made a grant that brought Mari Noda to campus. It's safe to say that she is the best Japanese instructor for native speakers of English in the world. Every second in class with Noda sensei was heaven for me. To my surprise I learned that many students dreaded her, some probably skipped the days she was on the schedule. We typically had five different faculty members and as many teachers' aides lead class in the course of a term. Professor X was someone I would have loved to skip. I found the classes with him to be excruciating. Time seemed to stand still. Low and behold, he was many students' favorite. While attending summer school in Sapporo the head of the department confided to us that Noda sensei and X hated each other:"The classic dog and monkey"(a reference to Chinese astrology)to make a direct quote. I'm too lazy to look it up, so I'll make an indirect quote of Henry David Thoreau,"To see the world for a single second exactly the way someone else does would be an incompehensible miracle to me." Lars OBOL archives: www.freelists.org/archive/obol Manage your account or unsubscribe: //www.freelists.org/list/obol Contact moderators: obol-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx