Hi Janet & All, As Tim and others have mentioned, Varied Thrushes are often out at first light on roads in forested areas of the mountains, below the snow line. However, for people who want to sleep in longer and not go driving around in the mountains, there are good numbers of Varied Thrushes on the Willamette Valley floor already this month. A good place to look for them is under overgrown fruit trees (apples or pears), especially ones where the fruit has been left on the ground to decay. There will be plenty of American Robins in this same situation. In mid-morning or afternoon you'll more often hear their "chup!" call than their tin-whistle song (which you'll hear more often around dawn, or when light gets dim due to passing rain clouds). It's worth listening to recordings of this "chup!" call to familiarize yourself before you go out, and compare with the "tuk" call of Hermit Thrush, and the "churk" or "tuk-tuk" calls of American Robin. If you can do a soft screech-owl imitation, often the Varied Thrushes will fly up into the interior branches of the tree that they're foraging under, so you can have a good look. They characteristically hold themselves at an uptilted angle when they're doing this -- that and their slim, pointy profile will help you to distinguish them from robins if the light inside the tree is poor. One place with an abundance of unmanaged fruit trees is E.E. Wilson Wildlife Area (Willamette Valley Birding Trail site L11) but I'm sure you can find that type of habitat in the Portland metro area. I'd think that The Nature Conservancy's Camassia Preserve (Site H1 on the WV birding trail) should have Varied Thrushes by now, and the trail is interesting in other ways. Good luck, Joel -- Joel Geier Camp Adair area north of Corvallis OBOL archives: www.freelists.org/archive/obol Manage your account or unsubscribe: //www.freelists.org/list/obol Contact moderators: obol-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx