Hi all, Out of the many possibilities explored in this wide-ranging thread, there is still one more that explains EVERYTHING: Perhaps this is an Elite Goose Ops (EGO) squad from the Center for Disease Control (CDC), searching for and destroying stray Eurasian geese that may be carrying avian flu viruses across our unprotected northern border. This explains ALL of the salient observations: 1. The window-mounted scope (used to pick out individual birds for targeting by a skilled sniper), 2. The camo (elite commandos need to wear this to keep up their image, even in suburban environments), and 3. The scowl (no doubt they were evaluating whether this bicyclist might have already picked up a goose-borne plague, and would also need to be culled). Rumor has it that an identically dressed team was recently spotted near the Bean Goose, but -- in their attempts to remove this Eurasian disease vector -- they were stymied by an impenetrable wall of birders wearing brightly colored Columbia Sportswear jackets. I've posted COMPLETE details, DEEP background sources, and several hallucinations that seemed relevant at: http://www.wackotheories.org/goosecommandos.html OK, MORE SERIOUSLY: The dividing line between birders and hunters is not that clear. Lots of people do both, including many OBOLers. Also, lots of people own just one set of outerwear suitable for late fall/winter conditions in western Oregon. If you hunt even occasionally, or if you shop at Cabela's rather than REI, or if you just happen to live in rural Oregon and you'd like to blend in with your neighbors, then you might choose camo when you buy that one all-purpose jacket. The advantage of camo for getting better views of wildlife in natural settings -- whether you're birding or hunting -- are beyond dispute. I'm not sure that holds up for camo shorts, as I mentioned, or that it makes any difference to wear camo while while you're sitting in a bright red diesel pickup amid mowed green lawns. But people wear what they have available. Me, I try to wear orange or red since I tend to go birding in E.E. Wilson Wildlife Area, which gets more hunters per acre than any other site in Oregon. Oh, and about those scowls ... I've noticed while leading field trips that many birders who haven't had much contact with hunters have a reflexive negative reaction -- often in the form of audible comments -- when they see someone dressed in camo or carrying a shotgun. Hunters -- like most other members of our species -- are very good at picking up on body language at a distance, and they tend to respond in kind. You can choose whether to have negative or positive encounters with hunters in the field, by paying attention to your own signals. If you can squelch that initial negative reaction and muster a friendly hello, you may be surprised at how many hunters turn out to be friendly, thoughtful and interesting people. Many of them have shared interests in conservation that often go far beyond "huntable" wildlife. Happy birding, Joel -- Joel Geier Camp Adair area north of Corvallis OBOL archives: www.freelists.org/archive/obol Manage your account or unsubscribe: //www.freelists.org/list/obol Contact moderators: obol-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx