Below, Joel reminisces about two out-of-the-ordinary birding experiences he has had and it made me think of two that I had. One happened when Jeff Gilligan, Thomas Staudt, my wife Alice and I took a birding trip to Mexico. We were staying in the small town of Barra de Navidad on the Pacific coast and one afternoon the other three decided to do a little R&R at the hotel pool so I decided to take the car and explore an area just south of town. As I drove down a small road toward the coast I approached an arch which apparently was the entrance to a fancy hotel under construction. There were several guards with various weapons and when I stopped at the arch all the guards pointed their rifles at me. The lead guy asked me if I was Alejandro. I said, No, Gerardo. They all lowered their rifles and said ok, you can go. Thankfully my name isn't Alejandro! The next one also happened in Mexico. My wife, Thomas again and my niece Susan went to Palenque. As part of the trip we went to the Mayan ruins of Yaxchilan. To get there you take a road from Palenque to Fonterra Echeverria and take a boat down the Rio Usumacinta to the ruins. This was in 1999 and during the Zapatista "troubles". On the road we came upon a heavy duty military checkpoint with many armed soldiers and machine gun nests on either side of the road. The captain made all of us (we also had a guide at that point) get out of the van. For probably the only time in my life while in a birding area I left my bins in the vehicle. Thomas and I simultaneously spotted a King Vulture and shouted out in excitement. I dove past the soldier searching the van and grabbed my bins, jumped out and we admired the vulture. When I lowered my bins I saw every gun pointing at me. I thought I was going to have a heart attack! The captain calmly told everyone to lower their weapons and asked for my bins, which he then used to watch the vulture for a bit. He was impressed with the bird having never seen one. He gave me my bins and told us we could proceed. Wow, talk about estupido! To keep this legit and talk about birds- small numbers of PINE SISKINS and RED CROSSBILLS have been in my Mt. Tabor neighborhood for several weeks now. Good birding, Gerard Lillie Portland, OR Joel said: Participants in a Corvallis Audubon field trip a few years back might remember this as the place where we got pinned down by a platoon practicing for deployment to Iraq, when we stopped to look at Northern Harriers and Rough-legged Hawks. That was certainly the strangest situation that I've ever encountered as a field-trip leader, to have several guys jump out of a HUMV, drop into prone positions and train automatic rifles in the direction of the group. If this is what it's like to go birding in Iraq nowadays, I think I'll wait a few years before I try to add Iraq Babbler to my life list. To this day I'm still not sure if they viewed us as a potential terrorist threat (I had that happen once in West Germany when I was walking along with a backpack on a rural road, which unbeknownst to me, was just half a mile from a U.S. air base that was on high alert due to threats from the old Bader-Meinhoff gang -- still the only time that I've ever had someone casually wave a loaded Uzi across my midsection from three feet away), or if they were just conducting an exercise and trying to pretend that we weren't there. Or perhaps some mix of the two. Good birding, Joel Joel Geier Camp Adair area north of Corvallis