Glen, Thanks for the feed back Maybe since Dunlop used a 9" which would be similar to todays 8" my 16" has four times the light gathering power of an 8" So I'm thinking I probably got Lac III.14 if you take the faint star possibly not seen by Dunlop out of my diagram it is a obtuse angle triangle. I'll have to revisit 6777 and have another look, or you can show me next meet up. Cheers,CS Rob From: nswnra-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nswnra-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of G C Sent: Monday, 16 August 2010 06:21 To: nswnra@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [nswnra] Re: Observing Report for AM 15/08/2010 The diagram of D319 is correct. I am not sure about the others. 6777 is 3 stars in a row. (faint bright bright) III.14 is 3 stars in an obtuse angle triangle. Glen