Linda, Speaking as someone who learned Excel first and then Access, I can say that both are very good at certain things. Linda, I do take exception to your statement that Access doesn't contain all of the built in functions that Excel does. It does have many of them, and a number of others that Excel doesn't have. As for the built-in functions, sometimes they can actually be worse than having the ready ability to create your own. Case in point, the year 2000 and many of the financial calculations. In Excel, all financial calculations are based on a 365 day year, unless its a leapyear. Excel did not handle the year 2000 very well as it was the exception to the exception. Attempting to use the Excel calculations threw off many calculations. I was able to write my own equivalents in Access that came up with the correct figures in the long run. While I will readily admit that there are good uses for Excel, Access also does. I will agree with you on Excel being easier to use and more intuitive. Access is definitely a bear to learn, but once learned can be a very powerful tool. James -----Original Message----- From: Linda F. Johnson [mailto:linda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 7:38 AM To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [mso] Re: Database or Spreadsheet :VSMail mx1 I'm talking about Excel's advanced formulas...financial formulas like PMT, etc...you saying Access can do them? I'm sure you can BUILD them in Access, but they aren't built-in fucntions like they are in Excel....in Access, you need to understand the math BEHIND what you want to do...in Excel, you just choose the Function and let Excel do the math...that's more of what I meant And, hey...I never said Access didn't have a purpose...I totally agree that it does The Access/Excel debate is as old as the Windows/Linux debate or the Norton/Mcafee debate....my opinion is you use what works best for YOU....neither is better....but often one is more intuitive than the other, based on how you think....when it comes to Math, I simply find Excel more intuitive So...with that in mind, I have to say that Excel is in the Office suite for a reason too, Jim :-) Linda Linda's Computer Stop http://personal-computer-tutor.com ABC Free Ezine ~ Free Ebooks and Tutorials *all outgoing mail scanned by Norton AV. If you got a bug that looks like it came from me, it did NOT! -----Original Message----- From: mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Pettit Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:07 AM To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [mso] Re: Database or Spreadsheet Linda-- With all due respect, please forgive my intransigent defense. But when you state , "...if you want a spreadsheet with advanced mathematical calculations and charts, Excel leaves Access in the dust.", or "Excel is much better at advanced mathematical calculations", you're stepping on my toes. ;-) I'm an Access 'expert' (whatever that means), and I've *never* seen a mathematical calculation that it couldn't handle. Certainly Access is overkill for most people who need an application in which to store, linear, single-table, flat-file data. And for running quick-and-dirty 'what-if' scenarios, I don't think Excel can be beat, either. But, as you yourself pointed out, for relational data storage, or most any sophisticated application back-end, Access (or, you know, some other database) is the way to go. Microsoft included Access in its Office suite for a reason, you know, and it wasn't just because that little key icon is so darn cute. ;-) --Jim ************************************************************* You are receiving this mail because you subscribed to mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx or MicrosoftOffice@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To send mail to the group, simply address it to mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To Unsubscribe from this group, send an email to mso-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) in the subject line. Or, visit the group's homepage and use the dropdown menu. 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