That's an idea worth trying James. If x = 7, top margin = y ? Like that? What about the special notes? If I can figure out how to eliminate the duplicate records problem if there's more than one note, then we might have a note or several, depending on the award. The notes paragraphs are usually 3 but sometimes 2 lines. Gets more complicated doesn't it? Gotta be better than what I'm doing now. Since I've taken on this task, I've become responsible for producing results. Basically, this means I spend 10 minutes getting data then wasting 2 hours sending the reports/letters to Word and manually fixing everything that's wrong between Access and the resulting .rtf document...that is aligning columns, centering the page, manually doing some of the math where it's necessary and for some reason, .rtf won't display the underline on a column of figures so I have to put that in by hand as well. hmmmmmph. The other thing I keep thinking ought to be possible is to somehow send the data to a word merge. I just can't seem to get the list of awards and values in one letter per person instead of several. I'm surprised the Word gods and goddesses in this group don't have the answer to that one. It can't be that uncommon a task. Oh well, Plan B is what I live for, so send on the loop code and let's see what happens. Thanks. /g -----Original Message----- From: James LaBorde [mailto:jlaborde@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Fri 6/27/2003 3:52 PM To: 'mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Cc: Subject: [mso] Re: Access Concatenate//MS Word Merge :VSMail mx3 Glenda, This may not be as difficult as you seem to be making it. This is just an idea, but it may be worth trying. How about writing code to loop through your listing of participants and create a letter listing each category they are in, in the appropriate letter. You could include some code in your on format property that would set the Top margin based on the number of records in query. This way your letter would always be centered horizontally and vertically. I think between Anthony and myself we could get you through most of this code without too much of a problem. James -----Original Message----- From: Glenda Wells [mailto:gwells@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 12:14 PM To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [mso] Re: Access Concatenate//MS Word Merge :VSMail mx3 Hi James (and group). The reason I was thinking of concatenating the awards into one field is that it works already. Lemme 'splain: Currently, we get data via a rather complex and time consuming process. The data is in a CSV format with elements for each multi-record data type in a single field separated by an ASCII character box. I don't know what that character is called but it looks like a space if imported to Word or a verticle rectangle in Notepad. Here's a sample with 2 pipes representing the ASCII character: "Smith", "John", "HighScore||Layout||Track||Image", "3.45||1027||15||A12BC4" We use Word/Merge to create letters which might look something like this: Dear John. Thank you for your contribution of the following. Please note the scores for each submission. A year-end total will be provided once all entries have been collected. HighScore 3.45 Layout 1027 Track 15 Image A12BC4 Thanks again for participating. We look forward to your additional contributions. Sincerely, Somebody Incharge My task James, has been to simplify the process. Right now, the whole thing takes about 3 hours. I can successfully get the data in about 10 minutes using Access. Yaaaayyy me right? Not so fast cowboy...my "customers" aren't happy. They don't like the way the letter looks in Access. They want it centered on a page - horizontally OK-but VERTICALLY as well. With help from this list, I've created Access reports/letters based on queries that retrieve the specific data from a single data file. There are, so far, 15 letters, each slightly different. Using the example above with Access Reports I can get a letter but if it's a short letter, then it displays too high up on a page. I can't find a way to do the vertical centering. Another thing is that sometimes, depending upon the submission, a special note may be needed. These notes are in a table which is fine, unless a particular person has more than one. Then, I get multiple records in the detail of the report. The notes are memo fields which sometimes get truncated. I've tried placing these as footers and as their own group and still haven't gotten it right. When I try Word Merge, I get a letter for each person for each submission. In the example above, I would get 4 letters rather than one letter with the elements listed as shown. I'm very frustrated and unfortunately don't know enough about Access Reports, VBA or Word Merge to solve the problem. I'm so ignorant I may not even be asking the questions correctly. Sigh. The only thing I have going for me right now is that I'm willing to try anything...if only I knew what it was. Heavy sigh. Thanks /g From: James LaBorde [mailto:jlaborde@xxxxxxxxx] Glenda, Just curious but is there a reason that you need it as a single field and not a single record? A single record would be fairly simple to get with a Cross-tab query. 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