[MoAccess] Pattern Chains, was Changing time signatures in sequencer
- From: "Bryan Smart" <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:03:49 -0500
That makes sense for the ES. On the XS, it is much easier to record the
chain (just press record and play it like you're in Pattern play mode).
You don't need to worry about old data being there (you're re-recording
from scratch each time).
I take your point on doing the mutes and drops in song mode. However, on
the XS, I haven't reached the point with the event editor where I could
edit the scene track in song mode. If I start making scene changes in a
song, I'll need to be able to clean them up if I make a mistake. So,
since I don't know how to do that yet, and pattern chain record is so
easy on the XS, that's what I do.
Bryan
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driza97@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Changing time signatures in sequencer
nah!! lol! That's still the same way how I do it on the ES, accept I
just record the different sections in the pattern chain and then once I
covert it to song mode then I'll do my mute/drops!! I don't bother
recording mutes in the pattern chain any more on the es, plus if you do
decide to record mutes in pattern chain, when you save that mug and load
it back up, those recorded pattern chain mutes will still be there and
if you forget which tracks you muted stuff on, man!!!!, that can be
brutal!! Actually I would have preferred it if it didn't save the
pattern chain mutes like that, so that way, if you want to start fresh
when recording the mutes in the pattern chain, you can!! So once again,
the easier way is just record the section changes and then do the mutes
in song mode!! lol! yep!!
What Da Hzzy!
Driza aka Drizabizeats
----- Original Message -----
From: Emccullough1 <mailto:emccullough1@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Changing time signatures in sequencer
Actually Bryan I still do it the way you described it in the
previous message. That sounds wonderful though. Perhaps one day, I'll
get to experience that on the Motif XS. Perhaps Driza has found a new
way to do things on the ES.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Smart <mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Changing time signatures in
sequencer
That's interesting. You're right that, in general, the
Motif will capture most changes that you make while you're in record.
So, if you're recording, and you turn a knob to tweak the sound of a
voice, change the attack/release of a sound with the knobs, move a
volume fader, change the tempo, etc, those all get recorded. In a lot of
ways, that is a much easier way of doing automation than people have to
deal with in DAW apps like Sonar.
The drawback here is when you need to set an exact value
at an exact time. For example, if my drum track is mostly dry, but, in
the last snare hit before the downbeat of a new song section, I want to
wash the snare with reverb, then I'd just move to the top of the last
bar, go into overdub record, turn the reverb knob up before the snare,
turn it back down after the snare, and press stop. Sure, I've put lots
of knob automation all over that track, but who cares. I got what I
wanted. When it comes to things like tempo and meter, though, you might
want to jump directly from one value to another. So, in that case, just
turning a knob is going to create a gradual change. At least, that is
how it has worked with most of what I've tried so far.
So, just so that I understand you correctly, you jump
forward into the song where you want the meter to change, start
recording, and then arrow up to and change the meter during the
count-in? If you were fast enough to make that change during the
count-in, then maybe, when recording started, only the most recent meter
change would be recorded to the tempo track.
Or, are you saying that you move to the bar where you
want the meter change, go into Record Setup, change the meter setting,
and then press play?
Those Yamaha people are really the smart ones. I'm
always so happily surprised when I expect to have to do things in a
highly technical way (like I've come to expect from a computer), and
they've already made the Motif figure it out for me. Here is an example.
On the Motif, when you wanted to make a pattern into a song, you have to
record a pattern chain, and then you have to dump that chain into a
song. On the ES, recording a chain involved recording a pattern track
that contained info about when to switch between the different pattern
sections, and a scene track, where you could record your mute/solo of
tracks. This made the pattern chain mode almost a mini sequencer in its
own right, complete with overdub and replace recording, multiple tracks,
an editor that had to be learned, etc. On the XS, you just go into
Pattern Chain mode, hit record, and play the pattern with the buttons,
just like you would from pattern play mode. You can switch sections,
perform your solos/mutes, and it will all be recorded. Since it is all
recorded at once, there is no need for separate chain tracks, and, while
there is an editor for the chain, it is usually easier for me to just
hit record and perform the pattern again. On the ES, I didn't bother to
create a pattern chain unless I was serious about turning the pattern
into a song so that I could record overdubs. However, on the XS, when
I'm writing patterns, I almost always record a rough chain with a demo
song structure laid out (intro, verse, chorus, verse, chorus, etc --
something like that), so that I can hear the patterns in context and
bounce my song ideas off of people.
Another way that they've really made all of this easier
is when you get ready to render the chain to a song. When you go into
the render screen on the ES, you need to pick the song number where the
chain will be dumped. You can't numerically enter a number there, so you
must count with the inc/dec buttons or clicks of the data dial in order
to reach the correct song slot (Adrian? Ernist? Have you all learned
differently since I had an ES). There were several times on the ES when
I'd make a mistake by missing a click when counting, and I'd over write
the wrong song. Of course, there was no un-do, so that lead to bad
situations. On the XS, you don't need to enter a number or count clicks.
If you go to song mode, and dial up to song 12, then, when you go back
into Pattern Chain mode and select to render the chain to a song, the XS
is smart enough to start you out on the last song that you were using in
song mode, which, in this case would be song 12. So, I use song mode to
select the slot (where I can actually hear if anything is stored in that
song slot), and can then switch back to pattern chain and start the
render operation. it is really smart of them.
There is stuff like this everywhere. If you're in
Performance mode, and you record to a song, then press the song button,
you're immediately placed into the song that you just recorded. Working
the other way around, if you select an empty song or pattern, switch to
performance mode, and hit record, you'll be recording into the last song
or pattern that you were using. Of course, you always get a settings
screen where you can manually set the number, but these new ways are
much more useful to someone that is working based on what they hear
rather than what they see.
What a great instrument!
Bryan
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jes
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:17 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Changing time signatures in
sequencer
Actually Bryan, you don't need to do anything with the
event editor. I found out through trial and error that if you just go to
the measure where you want to change the time signature and you just
change the whole meter, the meter will change on the start of that
measure. For example, say you had a time signature of 4/4 at the start
of your sequence, but after 8 measures you wanted to switch to 3/4, then
8 measures later you wanted to go back to 4/4. When you want to change
the time signature from 4/4 to 3/4 at the 8th measure, just go to
measure 8 and change the meter by pressing the record button then
scrolling up and changing the meter that way. When you want to change it
back to 4/4, just do the same thing. I've found that method to work,
unless I'm missing something. Thoughts?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Smart
<mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 3:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Changing time signatures
in sequencer
To change the time signature in the middle of a
song, you need to insert a meter change into the event list. From song
mode, press edit. In here, there is an insert function. When you pick it
a screen will come up asking the type of event.
You'll need sighted help for this. I haven't had
anyone go through the event editor with me in any detail other than how
to use the main event edit screen to change notes, velocities, and
durations.
Bryan
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jes
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:35 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Changing time signatures
in sequencer
Bryan, I am using the MoTif xs. I should have
made that clear in my last message.
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From: Bryan Smart
<mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Changing time
signatures in sequencer
The short answer is yes. You can change
the time signature in the middle of a song.
Which Motif are you using?
Bryan
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jes
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 3:01 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [MoAccess] Changing time
signatures in sequencer
Hi all. I know how to change the meter
from 4/4 to 3/4 in the song mode, but how do you change the number of
beats in a measure, like from 4/4 to 6/8? Also, is it possible to change
the time signature throughout a sequence, like going from 4/4 to 3/4,
then returning to 4/4? I would hope that the Motif can handle complex
rhythm changes like 6/8, 5/4, 9/12, etc. Thanks
Jes
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