[mea] Re: Cree copyright question
- From: "Victoria Lehman" <velrotarian@xxxxxxx>
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- Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 16:46:16 -0600
"MacKay"! That was the name that I now recall, who was working specifically on
the Cree syllabic. We had an old family neighbor with that surname. I believe
he used the original Evans syllabic platform. Glad to have been of service.
Again, sounds like a great project, as First Nations peoples have a terrific
story-telling and "sayings" tradition. I look forward to seeing the published
work (and buying a copy!).
Victoria
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Kirby Gilman
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 4:16 PM
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Subject: [mea] Cree copyright question
Here's the reference for the book containing the Cree syllabic chart that's
been adapted:
MacKay, The Rev. J.A., comp. and trans., Psalms and Hymns in the Language of
Cree Indians (Toronto: Anglican Book Centre, 1983).
The book my workplace is publishing, "Cree Sayings and Phrases," doesn't use
the hymns, just an adaptation of that chart (that's the part we wondered about
referencing). You're right about the original "author" being a missionary.
Thanks for your take on this issue Victoria.
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From: "Victoria Lehman" <velrotarian@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 3:34:15 PM
Subject: [mea] Sorry! That was Ojibwe , then Evans adapted to Cree. RE:
Copyright question
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From: Victoria Lehman [mailto:velrotarian@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 3:32 PM
To: 'mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [mea] Copyright question
Is this the Evans Syllabary, or some form adapted from it? I believe that the
Syllabary itself is common usage. It was adapted to Ojibway as well.
I gather you were not planning to publish the hymns that were copyrighted into
the hymnals referenced as being 1949 and 1983. I had followed this with
interest some years ago, relating to world indigenous languages and culture
(one of my pastimes), and knew that these often related to missionary bible
translators. But I could not recall the name of the English main translator
from the Victorian era. Found his name on Wikipedia. And this confirms that the
actual syllabics would now be held in the common usage. But likely the
hymns/books would have been copyrighted. It is now accepted as a form of
writing, so I can't imagine that any copyright would even attach. Especially if
you are creating new material with sayings being freshly transcribed into
Syllabics. Best wishes on a really interesting project, that should have a lot
of contemporary interest.
Victoria
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Kirby Gilman
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:22 PM
To: mea
Subject: [mea] Copyright question
Hi all, a copyright question:
At my workplace, someone adapted a Cree syllabic chart from a Cree hymn book to
include in a book of Cree sayings being published. The author of the Cree
syllabic chart/hymn book died in 1923, but the hymn book was reproduced and
copyrighted in both 1949 and 1983 by separate publishers. I can't find any
record of the initial publication.
Can we adapt this syllabic chart and publish without permission citing one of
the newer publications? Or, could we just put the name of the author who
created the syllabic chart due to the 50 year copyright expiration rule?
Thanks for any help,
Kirby
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