[macvoiceover] playlists in itunes
- From: "Ms. Owens" <ginnyo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:16:59 -0600
I seem to remember that someone had a method for adding multiple selections
at once to a playlist...or did I dream such a thing?
Thanks.
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[mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:35 AM
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Logic and Apple
Well, Greg, I like suggestion #3.
However, I see certain problems already with this approach.
On the surface, it sounds like a perfectly reasonable idea, however,
as with all things that "force" compliance, what we'll wind up with is
a whole bunch of developers who haven't a clue what these access tags
are for, and programs will begin coming out with useless or blank
labels, just to pass the compile time checks.
There was (at one point) an attempt my microsoft to force frontpage
pages to have alt tags on all images.
This merely resulted in loads of webmasters simply creating images
with blank alt tags which did absolutely nothing for screen reader
users, and in some cases (such as with lynx) made the images
completely invissible to browser users.
As unfortunate as it is, I believe education is the *only* solution
here.
With that though, you'll never catch everyone, and there's still going
to be software produced that doesn't work.
Apple needs to make it harder to use custom elements, and perhaps to
even replace custom elements with valid ones when they already match
apple supplied items that are part of xtools. But then again, this
too leads to other problems. I doubt it's ever likely we'll get a
majority of developers to agree to this. I have no idea why, but some
developers create custom elements as a matter of course regardless of
what they're doing and why.
This kind of behavior needs discouraged, and apple needs to make it
easier for us to create labels and descriptions after the fact. A
developer will be a lot more likely to do things correctly in the
first place if they know that just anybody can go in and change their
labels and descriptions if it's not done right. This would prevent a
*lot* of the specialty and custom elements we're seeing these days.
On Jan 7, 2008, at 3:17 PM, Greg Kearney wrote:
> Oh dear I could have seen this one coming. For years now I have
> called on Apple to establish an office of Accessibility Evangelist
> to deal with this kind of thing. You should contact the
> accessibility office at Apple accessibly@xxxxxxxxx send me a copy
> too so I can forward it on to my contacts as well.
>
> Now as to why Logic will not work. The problem stems from the human
> interface that Logic and many of the other pro applications use.
> Simply put it is not an Apple Cocoa standard interface but rather a
> custom one. Custom interfaces are BAD. The programmer would have to
> make extensive modification to the source code of the program to get
> it to work with VoiceOver. Some things like menu and some buttons
> will read but the real critical parts of the program the controls
> over the playback head and so on have no VoiceOver controls and can
> not be read. It is possible to sometimes add VoiceOver labels to on
> screen controls after the fact using Apple's developer tools but I
> would bet that in this case not even that would work.
>
> What to do. I have a few thought for Apple.
>
> 1. Create the office of Accessibility Evangelist staff it properly
> and when someone calls Apple with a VoiceOver or other accessibility
> question make sure it gets referred to this office which will train
> Apple staff and trainers on accessibility issue with all Apple
> products.
>
> 2. No more inaccessible software from Apple. Period. End of
> discussion. The next versions of EVERY Apple product will be
> accessible.
>
> 3. Change XCode so it will not compile a program that is not
> accessible. That is to say if you have a GUI you MUST have the
> accessibly tag and controls defined and activated otherwise he
> program just will not run.
>
>
> Greg Kearney
> 535 S. Jackson St.
> Casper, Wyoming 82601
> 307-224-4022
> gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
>
> On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Ms. Owens wrote:
>
>> I have to begin this email by saying that I'm so mad at Apple right
>> now that I'm about to blow a gasket. I paid their recommended
>> consultant $300 this morning, and I still don't know if Logic can
>> be made accessible. Some elements are, but important things like
>> the track list cannot be seen as far as we can tell. The problem
>> is that no one at Apple Care knows what Voice-Over is.at least not
>> the six people ive spoken with over the past couple of weeks. If
>> you aren't going to have a dedicated accessibility specialist, then
>> at least make sure your people know your accessibility features
>> well. The pro software support guy kept thinking I was talking
>> about doing a voice-over. I mean seriously? The consultant that I
>> paid was very nice and as helpful as he could be, but he didn't
>> know too much about VO, either. Who should I contact next? I'm
>> not through with this one. <smile> Somebody at Apple with some
>> understanding of VO is going to talk to me before I give up.
>> <smile> I mean, I've got frequent flyer miles.I'll go out to
>> California and sit with an engineer until he makes Logic work.
>> It's really so close to being accessible. I don't think it'd take
>> much.
>> Thanks for letting me rant.
>> GRRRRr.
>
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