just roll with it and send a nice note to accessibility concerning anything you find. On Oct 30, 2009, at 11:35 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: It is easier to understand how 3rd party developers can mess up accessibility in their apps than it is to understand why Apple is doing this in ITunes. Its one of their flagship applications, the accessibility guidelines are theirs, and VoiceOver is on every Apple developer's Mac for testing. I know that there must be VO users that work at Apple, and, while they might not be able to test everything before it is released, you'd think that just about all of them would use ITunes for something or other, and would notice these problems while the new version is still an internal beta. Very confusing. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Poehlman Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:56 PM To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [macvoiceover] latest itunes breaks accessibility and ringtones: all; It appears that with the release of itunes 9.1.2 or whatever it is, we need to relie more than ever on the vo cursor. it used to be possible to interact with the songs list and then use arrows to move up and down from song to song, but now, we must use vo keys with arrows. The regular arrows move from song to song, but the change in location is not announced by vo. Ringtones are no longer possible to make with itunes. For some reason, even when you set an end time, it is not honored. > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >