Last night I upgraded safari and security and this morning I had an incident where voiceover quit completely; it wasn't just muted. Cmd-f5 was totally unresponsive.I ended up having to shut down and start the computer up again. I believe this issue was discussed in prior posts because I rmember posting and saying I hadn't had a problem with this. However, when I went into the macvoiceover lists with my braillelite in terminal (very thankful for that) I couldn't find the posts about what to do if voiceover crashes. Could somebody please post this information again under this subject line or something appropriate. This isn't the bug we've always had where you can hear clicks and maybe you hear "voiceover on" and "voiceover off" when you use cmd-f5; this is the recent problem. I want to memorize how to get out of this so I can fix it without restarting. Thanks. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >