[mac4theblind] Re: like this: Fwd: Re: Introduction
- From: Scott Granados <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 10:44:38 -0400
You will want to run VM Fusion 6 to support windows. Parallels is not
functional with Voice Over from what I’m told.
go to
http://www.vmware.com/fusion
you can download a 30 day trial there or buy the software outright. I believe
it’s $99
On Jun 17, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Tom Behler <tombehler@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Excellent points, Scott, and I appreciate and understand them.
>
> I have forwarded these thoughts onto our I T people at the University.
>
> They don't know much about accessibility, but I would think they should be
> able to get me set up with either bootcamp or paralles as needed.
>
> I still have to check out the Duxbury and Braille embosser compatibility
> issues, though, and plan to do that over the next few days.
>
> Dr. Tom Behler
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 10:01 AM
> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: FW: like this: Fwd: Re: Introduction
>
> Tom, I think the thing you should add to your thinking is you don't have to
> choose one or the other. You can run the windows you know and are used to
> under a virtual machine and the Mac skills to boot and interact with that
> windows machine are minimal so that might be a good way for you to migrate
> over time from one to the other. When I made the switch I booted two
> computers one Mac laptop and one PC laptop and just used the PC for googling
> / learning from references for Voice over. There's no reason you can't do
> that with a virtual machine though.
> Another option is boot camp. Boot camp lets you run windows
> natively under the Mac so you'd just boot in to windows or OSX. The
> disadvantage here is you can only use one at a time where with the VMWare
> option you can use both in parallel at the same time. You don't have to cut
> ties with windows though just because you select a Mac that's the main point
> I want to get across to you. You can exist in both worlds and migrate at
> your own speed or even use both and just let them each do what they are good
> at. If the Mac doesn't have the tool you need just switch to the windows
> instance and vise versa.
>
> On Jun 17, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Tom Behler <tombehler@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Well, it seems like Windows operating systems, and their various
>> parameters often change in accordance with the whim of Microsoft,
>> sometimes overnight with a Windows update. ... Things that once
>> worked no longer work, new key strokes or configurations have to be
>> mastered, etc.. This makes it all the harder for those of us who have
>> to use screen readers like Jaws which appear to have increasing difficulty
> keeping up with the changes.
>>
>> My understanding is that you don't have quite as much of this with a
>> Mac, in that new operating systems and functions have more of a
>> tendency to build on what has been done previously.
>>
>> I admit that I could be seriously misguided on all of this, and,
>> though my purpose here is not to get into a debate, I am trying to get
>> a sense of the overall wisdom of switching to a Mac or just sticking with
> Windows.
>>
>> Since this all relates to my work computer, and my ability to do my
>> teaching job effectively at the University, it is a highly important
>> decision for me to make in a relatively short period of time.
>>
>> Dr. Tom Behler
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Aidan
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 7:41 AM
>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: FW: like this: Fwd: Re: Introduction
>>
>> Can you explain what you mean with "It seems like Windows screen
>> readers like Jaws simply aren't keeping up effectively with the
>> rapidly changing Windows landscape--a changing landscape that often
>> seems to occur without reason"? How is VoiceOver different in that manner?
>>
>> On 17/06/2014, Tom Behler <tombehler@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Here's a response to an e-mail from David Hilbert Poehlman regarding
>>> my consideration of a Mac as a possible office computer replacement
>>> option for me in the Fall.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope this clarifies my reasoning to others on the list, and I
>>> welcome any and all opinions on the issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr. Tom Behler
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@xxxxxxxxx]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 6:53 AM
>>> To: 'David hilbert poehlman'
>>> Subject: RE: like this: Fwd: [mac4theblind] Re: Introduction
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I guess I can summarize everything like this:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am growing increasingly tired of all of the effort and computer
>>> programming wizardry that seems to be involved with keeping Windows
>>> machines up to date and running properly with my current adaptive
>>> technology both at home and at work. It seems like Windows screen
>>> readers like Jaws simply aren't keeping up effectively with the
>>> rapidly changing Windows landscape--a changing landscape that often
>>> seems
>> to occur without reason.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Although my IT people here at the University don't have much of a
>>> clue at all about accessibility needs and/or concerns, they have
>>> given me the opportunity to work with a Mac over the summer, just to
>>> see if it might be a viable alternative for me as I contemplate my
>>> computer replacement alternatives for the Fall semester.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The decision is totally mine, with no pressure from anyone to go with
>>> a Mac.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I guess I'm just trying to consider my alternatives in relation to
>>> the direction technology seems to be going these days--away from
>>> Windows, and more toward Macs and other I devices.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope this makes sense, and welcome the opinions of others who
>>> clearly know much more than I do at this point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr. Tom Behler
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: David hilbert poehlman [mailto:poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 10:28 PM
>>> To: Tom Behler
>>> Subject: Re: like this: Fwd: [mac4theblind] Re: Introduction
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom,
>>> :-)
>>> What's behind this decision anyway?
>>>
>>> Jonnie Appleseed
>>>
>>> With his HandsonTechnolog(eye)s
>>>
>>> Touching the Internet
>>> Reducing technology's disabilities
>>> one byte at a time
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 16, 2014, at 17:07, "Tom Behler" <tombehler@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, David.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll keep in touch as I can.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is not going to be an easy decision, so I'll need all the help I
>>> can get.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr. Tom Behler
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: David hilbert poehlman [mailto:poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 2:11 PM
>>> To: tombehler@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: like this: Fwd: [mac4theblind] Re: Introduction
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> . and now you have my mail address. I'm old and cranky but one of
>>> the most helpful guys you will ever know so whatever you decide if I
>>> can help, I'll be happy to.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>> Date: June 16, 2014 9:18:04 AM EDT
>>>
>>> To: <mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Introduction
>>>
>>> Reply-To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks very much, David.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You may be quite correct. ... I'm just trying to keep an open mind
>> about
>>> the choice until I have to make a decision early this Fall.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> P.S. To all list members: I would have replied to David
>>> individually, but couldn't pull his personal e-mail address out of
>>> his reply, so sorry for the extra list traffic.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr. Tom Behler
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David hilbert
>>> poehlman
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:59 PM
>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Introduction
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Given your circumstances I see no advantage at all
>>>
>>> Jonnie Appleseed
>>>
>>> With his HandsonTechnolog(eye)s
>>>
>>> Touching the Internet
>>> Reducing technology's disabilities
>>> one byte at a time
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 19:24, "Tom Behler" <tombehler@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, everyone.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have just joined this e-mail list, and would like to introduce
>>> myself as a means of letting you know why I am reaching out to you
>>> for a bit of assistance. Hopefully, this intro will help you
>>> understand who I am, what my situation is, and what I'm trying to
> accomplish.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a blind Professor of Sociology at Ferris State University in
>> Michigan.
>>> I have been teaching for over 30 years, and have used adaptive
>>> computer technology to perform various aspects of my job for the vast
>>> majority of that time. Of course, like all of us, adaptive
>>> technology has been fundamentally important to me in various aspects
>>> of my personal life as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, since Ferris State University is still pretty much a
>>> windows-based institution,I currently use Windows 7, Office 2010,
>>> Jaws 14, the Duxbury Braille translation software, and the Juliet
>>> Pro-60 embosser to do my work both at my office and at home.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My office computer is slated to be replaced this Fall, and I have
>>> been given the opportunity to at least play around with a loaner
>>> Macbook Pro laptop over the summer, to test out its possible
>>> usefulness for me as a replacement computer. The Macbookpro that I'm
>>> borrowing over the summer uses the Mavericks 10.9 OSX operating
>>> system. If I go with a Mac for my actual office replacement
>>> computer, it would be an Imac desk
>> top.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If I do not decide to make the switch to a Mac, I'd simply go with a
>>> Dell desktop PC.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I understand that Microsoft Office programs for the Mac, such as
>>> Word, Excel, and Internet Explorer are not very accessible with Mac
>>> Voiceover. I also have been told that there may be some major
>>> compatibility issues with the Duxbury Braille translation software,
>>> and my
>> Juliet Pro-60 embosser.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What I am requesting from you is some basic guidance regarding
>>> whether trying to learn, and switch over to a Mac would be feasible,
>>> given the above concerns, and given the short time I would have to
>>> learn a Mac, in order to get it totally up and running for the Fall
> semester.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there some very general podcasts and/or tutorials you could point
>>> me to to help give me at least some idea of what I'd be getting into
>>> as I try to learn the mechanics of basic Mac operation?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for whatever you can do to assist me. Although I may not
>>> respond to every post I receive, please know that each reply will be
>>> read and considered seriously.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Dr. Tom Behler, Professor of Sociology
>>>
>>> Department Of Social Sciences
>>>
>>> Ferris State University
>>>
>>> Big Rapids, MI
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jonnie Appleseed
>>>
>>> with his
>>>
>>> Hands-On-Technolog(eye)s
>>>
>>> Touching The Internet
>>>
>>> reducing technology's disabilities
>>>
>>> one byte at a time
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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