There is nothing more I can’t stand than when people start playing the “dictatorship” and “free speech” cards on public lists. That isn’t the way to win friends and influence people. At least, certainly not on this list with me. I am the farthest thing from political correctness and I’d just assume remove you from the list if you are going to try that tact here. When you sign up for this list, there is a list of rules that is sent to you. As a list subscriber, it is your job and responsibility to read those rules. They are not complicated. They don’t ask a lot of you. They simply lay out how I would like the list to be conducted on a daily basis. If you are not adult enough or responsible enough to follow these basic rules, than you, perhaps, should remove yourself from public lists entirely because, as far as I know, most lists do have a list of rules that are sent to subscribers. I was very careful in how I worded my rules because I wanted folks to fully understand what can and cannot be discussed here and the reasons why. I wanted a very smooth list with well defined topics so that the list doesn’t get cluttered with chatter, as many of us are subscribed to several lists and don’t have time for a social list. I let things slide when a good discussion is going, and I generally have found that the members here don’t have to be policed by moderators. So, with that said, Android and other non-Apple topics are not welcomed here. Plain and simple. Read the rules and you will see what can and cannot be discussed on this list. If you are talking about or desire to waste your time switching to a fractured and disjointed OS like Android in which there is more confusion and dissatisfaction out there, that is your problem. Just don’t bother me or this list with your choice and quietly go on your way. There are other lists out there in which you can sing the praises of a privacy abusing company like Google and discuss their stolen OS, and get your questions answered there. As for iOS 7, half the issues I am reading about come down to user error and the simple matter of not reading about the upgrade before it is actually done. There are bugs. There are changes to the interface. This is the reality of the world. iOS 7 was a major rewrite to the entire interface, and thus, with it comes bugs and other problems. The information is out there for you to make your own educated decision. Read it carefully and know what you are getting into before you upgrade. If you are prepared and know what to expect, the upgrade will be fine and you, as a human being, will adapt fine to the changes and new ways of doing things like everything else in life. I’m not trying to sound harsh or cold here, but honestly, at this point, there are at least a dozen places out there in which you can read about iOS 7 and Applevis has a running tab on bugs and the like. Of course, you can ask questions on this list and contact me or, at least, five other folks I know of on this list privately as well if you want some help or tips. Armed with knowledge is always the best way to approach any project. If you think the bugs are too troubling or you want to hold off until iOS 7.02, that is your choice, and certainly your right to do. I wouldn’t tell anyone what they should do for themselves. There is nothing wrong with being an early adopter at all, but by being one, you also have to be aware of what you are adopting. I have upgraded to iOS 7 and I have no problems with the upgrade. Were there problems? Did I have moments of disconcerted reactions when I couldn’t find something? Of course, but instead of declaring that Apple has abandoned accessibility or has somehow betrayed us, the blind, as I am practically reading some saying on other lists, I took the time to read and figure out where things were moved or how to put things back to how they were before iOS 7. I can list at least a half a dozen bugs, but I also know from experience of having gone through several other iOS upgrades that Apple will fix the problems in the end. As my father says, this too shall pass, and folks will adapt and get used to iOS 7 until the next major upgrade and we can start the fun all over again. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT ************ You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. The url for this list, where one can unsubscribe or make any changes to their list subscription is: //www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind The list archive is located at //www.freelists.org/archive/mac4theblind/ All emails intended for the list owner can be sent to: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx