Well Dave I take notes and put them in a message to save for my tech. When I think of another question I add to the list by forwarding the message back to myself so that is why it appears this way but as I said the original message does not show up. Barbara ************ You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. The url for this list, where one can unsubscribe or make any changes to their list subscription is: //www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind The list archive is located at //www.freelists.org/archive/mac4theblind/ All emails intended for the list owner can be sent to: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx