[lit-ideas] Re: "p & p"
- From: Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:27:15 EDT
Robert Paul writes:
>My intuitions here seem the opposite of JL's, for where
>he sees e.g. 'She talks and she talks' as rare, or problematic,
>I find 'She talks,' rarer still.
Again, I don't think 'she talks and she talks' qualifies as 'p & p' for the
simple reason that one is inclined to provide a subscript indicating that
what is meant is that 'she talks ON OCCASION O-1" and "she talks on occasion
O-2". Only in very special circumstances would "she talks and she talks" be
understood to refer to a _double_ report of the _same_ event or occasion (cf.
"it
rains and it rains").
Not surprisingly, there are more google.com hits for "she talks and talks"
than there are for "she talks and she talks". For the latter, there's
she talks and she talks, sometimes itâ??s arduous
to figure just where she's getting at. You sit there, confused ...
www.webzinemaker.com/admi/m6/ page.php3?num_web=1930&rubr=3&id=36311
For the former, a post by "Robert Paul" (Reyes):
_FRIENDS and Lovers - Relationship Articles - Singles, Love ..._
(http://friends-lovers.com/articles/reyes5.html)
Ode To Jenny. By Robert Paul Reyes. She talks and talks and talks...
Spitting out
a torrent of words. Drowning me in noise. Stopping only to catch her breath.
...
friends-lovers.com/articles/reyes5.html
R. Paul suggests that the logic of "p & p" may need qualification in
subject-predicate logic ("Fa & Fa"). Indeed, "she talks and talks" seems to be
better represented by
(TALK & TALK)(SHE)
whereas "she talks and she talks" corresponds to the more explicit:
TALK(She) & TALK(She)
The fact that uttering "p & p" is not _illogical_ or contradictory, seems to
support Wittgenstein's idea that logic does not capture reality. Logic does
not teach us what to say, or even how to say it: it cannot say anything
against "p & p". But that's where _pragamatics_ comes in. -- Cheers,
JL
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