[lit-ideas] Re: one of Exit Ghost's political points
- From: wokshevs@xxxxxx
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Mike Geary <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:33:09 -0230
Quoting Mike Geary <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> IC:
> >>Disillusionment is just divesting one's self of illusions.
>
> Well, yes, by definition, I guess.
>
> >>Illusions in my opinion are built on sadness and anger.
>
> Really? I'd say they're mostly built on beliefs that have little or no
> relationship to reality. What the hell reality is, I have no idea. But if
> something doesn't work, it's probably not anchored in reality. That's a
> transcendental truth, just ask Walter.
Walter: He's here for the asking. (I'm wondering, though, whether Mike really
means "[I]f something doesn't work, it's probably not anchored in reality" or
whether he actually intends: "If its not anchored in reality, then it probably
doesn't work." Or could it be that both conditional statements assert the same
propoposition? Some of my Education students insist there is no real difference
between a sufficient and a necessary condition. They must be right since they're
scoring As in all their other courses in the Faculty (or so they aver.)
Permit me to raise a couple of questions:
Question 1: Is N. America getting the school teachers it deserves?
Question 2: Assuming that philosophy should continue to be a required component
of teacher pre-service education, what should the course be about? What skills,
habits, norms, habits, dispositions and judgments should a philosophy in
education course attenmpt to instill? Or, is this the wrong kind of question to
ask?
Walter O.
Hintikka Professor of Bi-conditionality
Salzburg School of Hairstyling and Design
Austria, EU
P.S. Yes, I know I have one "po" too many. (Sehr lustig in German. Noise for the
rest of the audience.)
>
>
> >>Maturity in my opinion is the unencumbered but appropriate flow of
> emotions.
>
> I really and truly don't know what this means.
>
>
> >>As far as seeing humanity for what it is, well, humanity is what it is.
> You tell me what it is, Mike.
>
> That's what novelists do. That's what Bellows does. That's what I'm trying
> to do even better than Bellows. Humanity is whatever humans want, need,
> love, suffer, crave, think, believe, feel, do, etc.
>
>
> >>I can't think of an author that I particularly like.
>
> That's very sad.
>
>
> >>No doubt you came to praise Cesar, not to bury him...
>
> Huh?
>
>
> >>It's Halloween, Mike. I'm going as a very mature person. I haven't picked
> out a costume yet. Maybe Saul Bellows with a squirting flower in the lapel.
> What are you going as? I know. You can go as a cook. You can make "Reeses
> Pieces" minus the Reeses. And the Pieces. Actually, it's peanut butter,
> Splenda and a teaspoon or so of Hershey's unflavored cocoa powder, and a
> little fat free half and half to moisten (in the sink, it can make a mess,
> at least the first time). I'll bet that's Robert Paul's favorite Halloween
> tradition... <<
>
> Huh?
>
> Whatever.
>
> My point was that I find Bellows just as interesting as when I first read
> him, actually much more so, but I don't understand why I found so
> interesting those passages that I evidently did on my original reading --
> that is, those passages I underlined. Were I still an underliner of novels,
> I would have underlined many different passages, not those I did originally
> -- except of course for the final one that I reported on, it still fascinates
> me.
>
> Mike Geary
> Memphis
>
>
> <----- Original Message -----
> From: Andy
> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 8:13 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: one of Exit Ghost's political points
>
>
> Disillusionment is just divesting one's self of illusions. Illusions
> in my opinion are built on sadness and anger. Maturity in my opinion is the
> unencumbered but appropriate flow of emotions. If emotions are flowing,
> appropriately, they're not being turned into obsessions and greed and all the
> other miseries. As far as seeing humanity for what it is, well, humanity is
> what it is. You tell me what it is, Mike.
>
> Saul Bellow is one of those writers that one doesn't remember, that's
> probably why you don't remember him. He's too impressionistic. Way back
> once upon a time I read the Great Gatsby and I had the same problem. It was
> like I never read it, and Fitzgerald was I think a screen writer, so his
> writing one would think would be pretty concrete. I can't think of an author
> that I particularly like. We're living in interesting times, and interesting
> times are more interesting than fiction in my opinion. I guess I'll stick
> with Shakespeare. No doubt you came to praise Cesar, not to bury him...
>
> It's Halloween, Mike. I'm going as a very mature person. I haven't
> picked out a costume yet. Maybe Saul Bellows with a squirting flower in the
> lapel. What are you going as? I know. You can go as a cook. You can make
> "Reeses Pieces" minus the Reeses. And the Pieces. Actually, it's peanut
> butter, Splenda and a teaspoon or so of Hershey's unflavored cocoa powder,
> and a little fat free half and half to moisten (in the sink, it can make a
> mess, at least the first time). I'll bet that's Robert Paul's favorite
> Halloween tradition...
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Mike Geary <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> Really? You find Bellow's style unreadable?
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------
To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off,
digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html
Other related posts:
